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  1. A beautiful colorisation of the ivory portraits...

    A beautiful colorisation of the ivory portraits found in tomb II.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKzJSrrXYAAu7JE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096...
  2. It's best we just focus on the details of this...

    It's best we just focus on the details of this thread. I think it's important to have mtdna, ydna, and audna. Any of these without the other paints an incomplete picture about populations we are...
  3. Cynane was the daughter of Audata, who is the...

    Cynane was the daughter of Audata, who is the daughter of Bardylis, the most powerful Dardanian king of antiquity we know of. Therefore her mtdna and audna immediately is of great relevance to...
  4. And David Grant does argue that the tomb of the...

    And David Grant does argue that the tomb of the "Amazoness Warrior" does in fact belong to Cynane. He lists all the counter-arguments and history of the differing theories, and still concludes it is...
  5. This is a very dense book that contains the...

    This is a very dense book that contains the entire history of work that has been done on these tombs, and David Grant's style is such he states nothing outright but rather develops his arguments over...
  6. Earthquake last night again. 20 people dead so...

    Earthquake last night again. 20 people dead so far, at least 600 injured. I was awoken immediately by the shaking at 3:54am last night....
  7. With paternal and maternal lineages in conjuction...

    With paternal and maternal lineages in conjuction with auDna we don't have to split hairs. Argead dynasty y-dna would be useful to know, which branch philip, alexander, etc belonged to. This...
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    Poll: Only sesklo is part of the normal neolithic wave....

    Only sesklo is part of the normal neolithic wave. It was burned down and destroyed by the dimini culture
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    Poll: Dimini is intrusive and from the north. So could...

    Dimini is intrusive and from the north. So could L618 have come from north africa, up into central europe and down as ev13
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    Poll: Sesklo and Dimini might also be important for...

    Sesklo and Dimini might also be important for origin of EV13, and how it relates to Proto-IE.


    While a bit outdated, there is possibly relevant info that seems to have been forgotten in this...
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    We also have specific R1b clades in sardinia...

    We also have specific R1b clades in sardinia shared with Alb:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y10789/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PF7563/

    Pf7562 has highest european diversity and frequency in...
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    I meant the parent clade to cts6190, common to...

    I meant the parent clade to cts6190, common to etruscan and dalmatian. Contact J2 project admin for confirmation. I am not falsifying anything.
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    So he is not on Yfull..? Are you accusing me of...

    So he is not on Yfull..? Are you accusing me of making that turkish guy up?
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    I didn't want to comment anymore but was adressed...

    I didn't want to comment anymore but was adressed directly.

    Yes, CTS6190 has been found in a turkish guy who says he has Albanian origins. We also have clades other than z638, which has tmrca of...
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    They are both under Y15058 which has a TMRCA of...

    They are both under Y15058 which has a TMRCA of 3900 YBP. The Dalmatian Y15058 sample is from 3620 - 3520 YBP.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15058/


    Like I commented before, the argument of...
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    What about it being downstrwam of the mathieson...

    What about it being downstrwam of the mathieson sample do you not understand? Etruscans were not IE, so if it was "common equally" to both an IE and etruscan group, ot cannot always have been. What...
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    This paper is about the history of rome. And...

    This paper is about the history of rome. And there is special pleading false arguments being made about the only Etruscan ydna sample. Lets not mention albanians ever again. Where is that L283 from?
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    1. The Etruscan L283 is downstream of the 1000...

    1. The Etruscan L283 is downstream of the 1000 year older croatian coast sample, meaning they are recently related. This doesn't favour the continental route, but a trans-adriatic one.

    2. Among...
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    If anyone seriously wants to argue that L283 is...

    If anyone seriously wants to argue that L283 is not illyrian but authentically etruscan, it necessitates the positing of a etruscan migration from the illyrian coast lol. Good luck with that.
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    From this paper and Grugni 2018, we now know...

    From this paper and Grugni 2018, we now know which Y-lines were introduced into Italy by the Illyrians and Messapics:
    J2b-L283
    R1b-Z2103
    E-V13 (still not clear which exact clades, but Grugni...
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    Ok it seems the z2103 assignment is indeed...

    Ok it seems the z2103 assignment is indeed correct.

    So the Italic male lines are probably:
    U152>Z56
    U152>L2
    R1b-Z2118

    And the Etruscan:
    I1.
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    R1016 is not a certain Z2103 it seems: Ted...

    R1016 is not a certain Z2103 it seems:

    Ted Kandell writes: "R1016 is *both* Z2103+ and L51+. Impossible. It's completely ambiguous. Contamination?"
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    The L283 in Rome is downstream of the exact same...

    The L283 in Rome is downstream of the exact same clade as the 1000 year older Illyrian coast sample.

    R1b-Z2013 is one of the 3 main Albanian paternal lineages, and it is a Balkan R1b, not really...
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    Sample R1016 seems to be R1b-Z2103. This, like...

    Sample R1016 seems to be R1b-Z2103. This, like L283 is one of the 3 main Albanian paternal lineages, thus increasing possibility that it has shared recent origin on the Illyrian coast from the same...
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    He was arguing until quite recently for J2b...

    He was arguing until quite recently for J2b middle eastern/anatolian/levant origin. He must have seen something convincing to have abandoned that position. I guess more samples are coming.
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