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  1. We really need samples from, say, the Bruttii as...

    We really need samples from, say, the Bruttii as well as from first millennium B.C. Greek settlers, yes?

    If the Greek settlers were Mycenaean like, they wouldn't be very close to Italic like...
  2. Yes, sorry, I just edited it. I had to leave...

    Yes, sorry, I just edited it.

    I had to leave the computer and didn't check it before pressing submit reply.
  3. I guess it needs to be said again: Apulia* was...

    I guess it needs to be said again: Apulia* was ruled by Byzantium and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the latter of which means that there was unrestricted travel and change of residence within its...
  4. I was going by what was written in the Supplement...

    I was going by what was written in the Supplement about which samples were Imperial Roman. I quoted it above.

    As to the "mixed" sample, certainly not half Levantine.
  5. I'd be happy to look at any actual "proof" you...

    I'd be happy to look at any actual "proof" you have of that, but otherwise I'll wait to decide how much of an impact actually existed.

    You also can't just look at the number of city-states; you...
  6. I agree with some of your points here. One...

    I agree with some of your points here.

    One question, however; it concerns the two samples from TAQ. It's ETR001 and ETR015 which are Imperial Era, yes? ETR016 is slightly later.
  7. No, I'm afraid I can't, Archetype, or rather, I...

    No, I'm afraid I can't, Archetype, or rather, I can follow it, but I don't agree. I have no idea how you could say that your modeling supports the conclusions of the paper, at least as concerns the...
  8. Well, don't yell at me about it. :)

    Well, don't yell at me about it. :)
  9. I think it could be said that Calabria is pretty...

    I think it could be said that Calabria is pretty well covered by Greek settlement, except for the still almost impassable mountainous interior.
    ...
  10. I did find the section on the archaeological...

    I did find the section on the archaeological context for these samples. To Big Snakes' point, there was archaeological Etruscan context for a lot of the remains. The Imperial remains are...
  11. It was an interesting choice to plot Etruscans on...

    It was an interesting choice to plot Etruscans on a West Eurasian background. They don't seem to have done one on a European dataset. (It would be interesting if someone could produce one for...
  12. Sorry, I'm not following. Metapontum and...

    Sorry, I'm not following. Metapontum and Heraclea, which would have influenced Venossa, to whose samples our Southern Italian posters are pretty close, were settled in 700 and 600 BC respectively.
    ...
  13. My results using just the samples from this...

    My results using just the samples from this paper:


    Distance to:
    Angela


    6.95926002
    C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE:TAQ022
  14. This is precisely my problem. Why didn't they try...

    This is precisely my problem. Why didn't they try to model using later Anatolian sources, or IA Aegean, or Greek Empuries? It makes no sense to me. It's like genetic malpractice. Was Krause sleeping...
  15. Indeed, there's something wrong with their model.

    Indeed, there's something wrong with their model.
  16. To everyone: I'm completely out of juice. Sorry....

    To everyone: I'm completely out of juice. Sorry. I'll have to just post my agreement, or disagreement, although I don't really disagree with anyone so far.

    So, ihype, other than calling Italy...
  17. I sort of "kept my powder dry" on this thread...

    I sort of "kept my powder dry" on this thread because I didn't get a chance to read the whole paper and supplement until this morning. For personal reasons my time for this hobby is much more limited...
  18. The Muslims only ruled Sicily for 200 years. They...

    The Muslims only ruled Sicily for 200 years. They had footholds in parts of the mainland for a couple of decades here and there, and Frederick II sent his "Saracen" soldiers to Foggia because he...
  19. I think we can lay to rest the idea that J2b was...

    I think we can lay to rest the idea that J2b was a founding lineage of the Etruscan=

    Maciamo's chart shows 52.5 percent R1b in Tuscany. Combined J1 and J2 is 13.5%.
  20. They're pure Slav because the Slav migrations...

    They're pure Slav because the Slav migrations south started from there, and they have very little Central European Anatolian farmer. Look them up for goodness' sakes. The area was populated by Slavic...
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    Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested...

    Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

    We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been...
  22. Maybe this got buried when a new page opened. ...

    Maybe this got buried when a new page opened.

    "We then tried to model the present-day groups as a two-way model. Similar to the modelling of 10th century individuals from Kuline (supplementary...
  23. Well, if you HAD read the paper you would know...

    Well, if you HAD read the paper you would know that they DID take into account that there were people in Viminiacum from all over the Empire, a more Anatolian Chalcolithic or Bronze/Iron Age type...
  24. When putting forth your ideas about whether or...

    When putting forth your ideas about whether or not you agree with the conclusions of a paper it makes sense to READ the paper first, which some of you have clearly not done.

    If you had read the...
  25. Once again, if you had read the paper, you would...

    Once again, if you had read the paper, you would know that Bulgarian Iron Age clusters close to ancient Greeks and they attempted to model modern Balkanites using the Bulgarian Iron Age sample, among...
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