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  1. That sample is 1600 BC. The Dalmatians of the...

    That sample is 1600 BC. The Dalmatians of the Iron Age may have been less Steppe-like than him, and more similar to the Balkan populations.
  2. A valid point which should apply to the all other...

    A valid point which should apply to the all other samples as well, including Myceneans.
  3. It's not flawless of course, but a step in the...

    It's not flawless of course, but a step in the right direction. Neither the Ingria sample nor modern Russians are perfect proxies for early Medieval Slavs. But Empuries samples are better modern...
  4. Of course different methodologies. This is how...

    Of course different methodologies. This is how science advances. The more recent paper trumps the first, not because it is more recent, but because it uses ancient DNA data. The first paper was wrong...
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    Deleted... double post.
  6. Very simple. Study 1 (older): "we find that...

    Very simple.

    Study 1 (older):
    "we find that the Slavic ancestry of Peloponnesean subpopulations ranges from 0.2 to 14.4%. Subpopulations considered by Fallmerayer to be Slavic tribes or to have...
  7. That study claims Peloponnesian Greeks have...

    That study claims Peloponnesian Greeks have 0.2-14.5% of Slavic ancestry. Yes, they claim that through modern population data, which is the main problem with it. This new study rejects that claim,...
  8. It would be nice if they explicitly mention their...

    It would be nice if they explicitly mention their rejection of the findings of the paper "Genetics of the peloponnesean populations and the theory of extinction of medieval peloponnesean Greeks",...
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    Another reason why this paper claims...

    Another reason why this paper claims discontinuity is that IA samples are different from Medieval and modern ones. Once again, within the same Mediterranean continuum, but not closest to them.
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    Continuity/discontinuity a subjective, arbitrary...

    Continuity/discontinuity a subjective, arbitrary assessment. The same affinity means continuity for Greeks and discrepancy for Italians. I personally favor the second up to the point of where...
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    Poll: Nice to see you take a break from using and...

    Nice to see you take a break from using and misinterpreting YFull dates on that sci-fi Albanian thread you opened, to criticize YFull dating here where you don't like it.
  12. The abstract seems to reaffirm the shifts Antonio...

    The abstract seems to reaffirm the shifts Antonio et al noted for Rome itself. Hopefully the samples appear soon.
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    This is something I agree with, and I think...

    This is something I agree with, and I think sooner or later there will be a paper which traces the ancestry of southern Italians, or at least some regions or groups, partially to Ancient Greeks....
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    Yes, this is the exact paragraph I quoted...

    Yes, this is the exact paragraph I quoted earlier. The part mentioning the Neolithic is what they have detected, the part talking about later periods is what they think may be detected in the future....
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    Believe it or not, it is possible to have beliefs...

    Believe it or not, it is possible to have beliefs without claiming a paper supported them.

    - It is my own belief that South Italians have some Ancient Greek ancestry.
    - It is a fact that Sarno et...
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    This is not semantics. They did not attribute...

    This is not semantics. They did not attribute Ancient Greek ancestry to South Italians. That is the simple truth, yet you keep claiming they did.
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    Don't lie. I have no messages besides your...

    Don't lie. I have no messages besides your infraction notices and one from Giannicus. I have no idea who those two are.
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    There you go again with personal attacks,...

    There you go again with personal attacks, responding to substantive comments with language for which you give infractions to regular members. Nobody is interested in your tone preferences btw.


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    Here is their main conclusion on the topic: ...

    Here is their main conclusion on the topic:


    "Importantly, the same ancestral sources are equally shared both by the present-day “open” (i.e. not-isolated) Southern Italian populations of...
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    In what part of the paper exactly? You keep...

    In what part of the paper exactly?

    You keep misquoting this paper. They only leave it open as a possibility, while not finding any evidence of it. It was shared ancestry from Neolithic populations...
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    Because, as I explained above, the model from the...

    Because, as I explained above, the model from the last paper shows modern mainland Greeks are most similar to MBA samples with recently arrived Steppe-related ancestry, but moderns have even higher...
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    Both are southern Europeans of course, and fairly...

    Both are southern Europeans of course, and fairly similar, but the question is how much of modern Greeks' ancestry comes from Ancient Greeks. The answer is not known, but it should be considerably...
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    How any individual felt years ago, or today, is...

    How any individual felt years ago, or today, is irrelevant.

    If we are discussing the possibility of Greek continuity since BA, modern closeness with samples recently arrived from the Steppe (or...
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    Greek continuity from the BA cannot be evaluated...

    Greek continuity from the BA cannot be evaluated properly with the crumbs of data that has been made available so far. Data from IA to the Late Middle Ages is completely lacking. We only have a...
  25. J-PF5160 and especially J-L70 are found all...

    J-PF5160 and especially J-L70 are found all around the Mediterranean, and even in other parts of Europe, yet only Greece is noted here.
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