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  1. I am not bringing Greeks into this discussion....

    I am not bringing Greeks into this discussion. The quote you got stuck at is from Maciamo and is referring to z2103 and Myceneans, not Greeks in the modern sense. Alas the whole thread is not even...
  2. Well TMRCA of L51 is 5700, Z2103 is 5300. Both...

    Well TMRCA of L51 is 5700, Z2103 is 5300. Both found in Indo - European Yamnaya as far as I am aware. So not sure if you mean they could not be both Indo European? or something else. Both found in...
  3. Well. Looking at modern frequencies is kind of...

    Well. Looking at modern frequencies is kind of looking at chance/luck.
    Given that z2103 is majority in Afasinevo, it is hard to deny they were part of the Yamnaya.

    Meanwhile...
  4. Good point Taktikat. I wouldn't look to much...

    Good point Taktikat.

    I wouldn't look to much at modern frequencies. But alas I feel there is possible explanations. L283 itself is not high frequency in West Europe, or anywhere outside Albania...
  5. Thanks for the heads up. As I said I am not that...

    Thanks for the heads up. As I said I am not that familiar with G.
    https://i.imgur.com/k2uohT4.png
    Needless to say G is very old, so can't say anything with certainty.
    But Maciamo has a good...
  6. I think he meant "no brainer" colloquially as in...

    I think he meant "no brainer" colloquially as in "common knowledge". At least I hope it was that way, since as they say there are no stupid questions.
    ...
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    Since we are talking about this, and its not...

    Since we are talking about this, and its not considered off topic might as well.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/albania-inaugurates-holocaust-memorial-honoring-locals-who-protected-jews/
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  8. The complex causeway construction that was likely...

    The complex causeway construction that was likely used and maintained for centuries suggests a significance of the crossing beyond just local. In this context, finds from the valley relating to...
  9. Quite some circumstantial evidence so far backs...

    Quite some circumstantial evidence so far backs this hypothesis. If someone has a better hypothesis given the current evidence I am all ears, or sees any flaws I am all ears.

    Now if the Moldova...
  10. Migrating messages...

    Migrating messages...
  11. Migrating messages from other thread.

    Migrating messages from other thread.
  12. Bro you are arguing with someone who thinks...

    Bro you are arguing with someone who thinks ph1751 is the only L283 branch in Albanians. Might as well argue with a rock.

    Greeks Central Greece and Attica 9.5% j2b
    Greeks Asia Minor and Aegean...
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    Taking some graphics from the other thread....

    Taking some graphics from the other thread.
    https://i.imgur.com/HK3tZdK.png
    https://i.imgur.com/51v9ynU.jpeg
    https://i.redd.it/3tlbagy1eyk31.png

    As you can see the Yamnaya had many expansions...
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    Take a look at this :...

    Take a look at this : https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41455-Current-J2b2-L283-Evidence-A-speculative-Theory
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    Correct. But as you know the cost of sequencing...

    Correct. But as you know the cost of sequencing genomes and Y-DNA deep test has exponentially plummeted since 2010.



    Meanwhile the first genome sequence "At the lower bound, it would seem that...
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    At this point I feel Greek Academy of...

    At this point I feel Greek Academy of Genetics/Anthropology or its equivalent is to blame. I do not bu*y that they do not have ancient samples from LBA/Classical(Iron)/Late Classical/ Early Middle...
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    Nice result :) I would petition the 23andme,...

    Nice result :)

    I would petition the 23andme, to cap Italian ancestry at 99%, to gain the pedigree of 100% pure Italian you have to pass the pasta cooking test (jk :D)
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    Then I guess we are in agreement. Not that it...

    Then I guess we are in agreement. Not that it matters when 2 papers now confirm what we both are saying.

    https://i.imgur.com/T5yxpq3.png
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    Yo, Jovialis. I asked you about the quote. The...

    Yo, Jovialis. I asked you about the quote. The quote didn't even mention continuity. I am not defending Davidski here. As you should know by now we kind of are backing the same horse(hypothesis)...
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    "That's a very optimistic view. In fact, there's...

    "That's a very optimistic view. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever in the paper that there's even 1% genetic continuity between present-day Greeks and any ancient Greek population, let alone the...
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    I am not uncomfortable at all. My mind is open....

    I am not uncomfortable at all. My mind is open. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
    So which part of the Davidski post do you disagree with?

    I haven't even read the Nazi propagandas or...
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    I think we might have gone off track, this thread...

    I think we might have gone off track, this thread feels a bit like facebook, youtube comments at this point.

    I think this thread needs a clean up for the last couple of comments.
    Jovialis you...
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    PS: It is funny people upvoted (+2) the quoted...

    PS: It is funny people upvoted (+2) the quoted comment. When I wasn't implying anything really. Cause Lazaridis conclusion as I said already many times, agrees with my interpretation of the data, the...
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    Thing is Albanians and Greeks are on a genetic...

    Thing is Albanians and Greeks are on a genetic continuum. Neither one or the other have substantially more EEF/Anatolian Neolithic admixture, in fact Greeks have slightly more....
  25. Current J2b2-L283 Evidence + A speculative Theory

    (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L283/)

    https://i.imgur.com/8NOCnh0.png
    https://i.imgur.com/1b0L9mf.png
    https://i.imgur.com/57TfVzM.png
    https://i.imgur.com/9clIApy.png...
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