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    Obviously not. They are probably the outliers of...

    Obviously not. They are probably the outliers of the Greek genetic mainframe. Most classical Greeks will be anywhere between those two groups.
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    After seeing that in the EBA there was much more...

    After seeing that in the EBA there was much more steppe ancestry in places like the Thesally/Macedonia border area than the South of Greece, and taking into consideration the rumors that there were...
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    The outliers would probably be close to the MBA...

    The outliers would probably be close to the MBA North Greek samples all the way to samples which are close to Cyprus.

    Do we have Autosomal DNA of the unpublished Greek sample? Or just the...
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    Highest rates of E-V13 in Greece is Thessaly....

    Highest rates of E-V13 in Greece is Thessaly. Reaches up to 40% in that region. It has far higher rates that the South Slav countries. So we have to look deeper for its origins. Thessaly was the home...
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    Quotes are always open to interpretation. People...

    Quotes are always open to interpretation. People then were writing contradictions as we do today on these forums. There were Slavs for sure. But no more than 8% overall. And if I am not mistaken....
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    Something in between modern and Classical Greeks....

    Something in between modern and Classical Greeks. Not too far off from the Mycenaeans.
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    Macedonia and Thessaly may have had more Steppe...

    Macedonia and Thessaly may have had more Steppe influence to begin with, as shown by the MBA samples.



    I think that 15% is overrated for Greeks overall.
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    I think you are being a little bit hard on Greek...

    I think you are being a little bit hard on Greek academies.
    Not many academies have done extensive research on DNA of the inhabitants of the Bronze Age in their region. Where would Greek...
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    I think we are missing the point. In looking at...

    I think we are missing the point. In looking at the difference between the Mycenaean and modern Greek samples we clearly notice that the modern Greeks have more Steppe and more Eastern Mediterranean...
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    I find it quite remarkable that Log02 and Log04,...

    I find it quite remarkable that Log02 and Log04, two Middle Bronze Age inhabitants from the same settlement do not genetically overlap. This indicates to me that one of the two may be mixed. If we...
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    [QUOTE=blevins13;623988] I would not call them...

    I would not call them Greek yet. But in the same way Ashkenazi Jews are closer to Mycenaeans, Log 04 could be closer to Kosovars or North Italians or other Balkan peoples, than the average modern...
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    [QUOTE=blevins13;623975] Not Greek yet. But...

    Not Greek yet. But they could have been speaking an IE Graeco-Phrygian language from which it branched into separate languages. The Phrygians split off early, then a proto-Hellenic language remained...
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    [QUOTE=ihype02;623965]Do you think that the those...

    Definitely. Samples of Classical Greece from different regions. That said, I am almost sure the Classical Greeks were not entirely homogeneous. There were some differences between Cypriots, Ionian...
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    That's not actually a problem, if it were true....

    That's not actually a problem, if it were true. The samples are from 2000 BC, and the population density of Greece during that time was very low. We may be talking about 200.000 people. Perhaps less....
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    Considering most of the Ancient Greek texts are...

    Considering most of the Ancient Greek texts are written after the Iron Age, it is quite possible that the Helladic and Cycladic people of the Early Bronze Age are the people the later Greeks would...
  16. Interesting. Given the results it is safe to...

    Interesting. Given the results it is safe to assume that some differences between mainland Greeks and Greek islanders (as well as Sicilians and South Italians) are not solely due to medieval...
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    Why would they want that? Given that they do in...

    Why would they want that? Given that they do in fact have a lot of DNA similar to the people who founded Rome. DNA from a Germanic invasion breaks that continuity.
  18. Old habits die hard. The people who made these...

    Old habits die hard. The people who made these claims are not up to date with modern historical, anthropological and genetic evidence. And the old judgments were made absent evidence.

    They are...
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    Interesting, the Iron Age Greek (I9123) overlaps...

    Interesting, the Iron Age Greek (I9123) overlaps with modern Greeks from the mainland. It's the only post-Mycenaean sample we have of Ancient Greeks. After the supposed Iron Age migrations and the...
  20. Seen many Greeks with West - and Central Europe....

    Seen many Greeks with West - and Central Europe. Wonder why that is? Perhaps some Greeks on average have more Steppe than others, and My Heritage puts that in the Northwest European cluster. So their...
  21. Still, Greeks and Jews are closer to each other...

    Still, Greeks and Jews are closer to each other than Hungarians and French. At the very least, one could argue that they have gotten closer than they were in the beginning. I am not arguing a similar...
  22. Because the same study shows that they may be as...

    Because the same study shows that they may be as much as 60% South European. And 15% Eastern European. That looks pretty similar to the Greeks to me.
  23. The Greeks, South Italians and western Jews are...

    The Greeks, South Italians and western Jews are quite similar in many ways. Perhaps they were not in the beginning. But they are quite similar today. The Jews have a large chunk of South European...
  24. Wasn't Cyprus mainly colonised by Mycenaeans...

    Wasn't Cyprus mainly colonised by Mycenaeans (Achaeans) during the late Bronze Age? Migrations during the Iron Age can explain that E-V13 might have come to Greece through post-Bronze migrations, and...
  25. E-V13 is also found in Cypriots....

    E-V13 is also found in Cypriots. Disproportionally compared to their adjecent populations aside from the Greeks. If it wasn't brought by Mycenaeans, then the question is from which source it got...
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