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These clades split around 2400 BC, or 1000-2000 years before Urnfield. You need a 3000-3500 year old clade with a diverse cluster concentrated in this area. Most of the results you mentioned are...

It could very easily be just a bottleneck.



Any evidence of this? As far as I know, the person who claimed it to be E-V13 has not provided the SNP calls.

Very interesting, I am looking forward to this paper being published. Do you know if any more Y-DNA results were announced?

You know this is largely a reflection of clan lineage domination and expansion in the last 500-800 years. Greek and Bulgarian E-V13 obviously would not be affected by this. That is not how diversity...

Yes, as I mentioned there is an IE connection, but we were talking about Greece and Catacomb culture. It has not been found in aDNA from either one so far. Just because because it is an IE line...

When you make claims, the burden of proof is with you. I hoped you had some.

Anyway, I have not looked at possible modern Greek KMS67 in studies, but that one SNP-confirmed result forms a subclade...

Is there any evidence for this at all?

Looking forward to that one being on YFull. I believe it will be R-BY147912-.

I know. They specifically mention avoiding Arvanites in the sample: "During the sample collection, attention was given to this issue: individuals who self-reported as Arvanite were excluded from the...

One reason may be that the authors avoided people of Arvanite ancestry whenever it was possible. Same thing goes for Euboea.

I said "history of Albanian populations", which inludes Arvanites, but also other regions. Macedonia and its western regions had many different ethnic groups until the early 20th century, including...

Certain. It peaks in areas with a history of Albanian populations: Peloponnese, Attica, West Macedonia, etc.



Maybe, but you have to look at how old these clusters are and estimate when and...

That first picture was produced on MS Paint.

@Demetrios R-M269 shows pretty fluctuations in Greece (btw a large chunk of it is R-BY611). E-V13 is not that evenly spread either. Anyway, I do am not saying we can refute all R-M269 branches as...

An interesting discussion started in the thread dedicated to Minoan and Mycenean origins, so let's continue in a more focused manner here. What can Y-DNA data tell us about affinities between...

@Demetrios. I replied to the info you posted, hinting a relation between Carpi and Albanians, which I find implausible. That was my main point. If you agree, great.

On possible links between...

I did not say it is because of the substrate as that is only one element. There are many pieces of evidence, from different fields, that suggest that the Romanian language formed south of the Danube....

How you imagine it was done does not matter. You are wrong for claiming that it happened so much that it transformed the Y-DNA of Central Asian populations, which it did not.



So far, from...

This assertion rests on the very disputable, if not already obsolete, assumption that Romanian stems from Dacian. While some Romanians might have partial Dacian ancestry, the Romanian language...

It does not complicate things because only a few branches of I2a1 might be associated with Slavic expansions, and this particular sample did not belong to any of them. In fact, it is older than their...

You were saying that J1 in Central Asia was spread by Arab Muslims who raped/pillaged in that region. I showed you that J1 was there at least 4800 ybp. You were wrong.

Regarding Sardinians, the overwhelming majority of their results on YFull come from this study. As you can see, 1200 samples were tested with high coverage tests, so they are over-represented right...

Don't change the topic. You said J1 in Central Asia and Caucasus is from Arab Muslims. I showed you that it has been found there from 4000 years ago. What do you say now?

Several >4000 year old samples from Central Asia (Turkmenistan) were found just recently by this study. See if you can read it. But be careful: it is actual science.

It is here.