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  1. For those watching for ancient J2a-L25 based...

    For those watching for ancient J2a-L25 based lineages, one (Z7706) was found in a grave with another T-S27463 sample (two in this study and one Greek in Southern Arc). This below-L25 is the first...
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    It’s nice to see more old samples turn up, like a...

    It’s nice to see more old samples turn up, like a below-L70 branch in southwest Anatolia in Byzantine/medieval times (same with an L70 found in southeast Anatolia). Southwest Anatolia has a number of...
  3. I think that both in the Southern Arc paper...

    I think that both in the Southern Arc paper (supplementals) and Reich statements elsewhere, the argument is that the Roman Imperial change came from Anatolia. According to the available evidence,...
  4. Thread: J-z40772

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    The ancient Rome sample from late antiquity is...

    The ancient Rome sample from late antiquity is under Z40772.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L70/
  5. I saw the old Hungary samples from around the...

    I saw the old Hungary samples from around the time of the Nicaea sample. The modern Greek samples in older E-V13 branches are in Y159845 (a sub-branch of Y30977/Nicaea sample), BY3880 and Z17264....
  6. Does E-V13 need re-imagining? It was found in...

    Does E-V13 need re-imagining? It was found in Nicaea, a Byzantine/Greek place, in ca. 600 ad., before Vlach and Albanian settlements in Greece. Perhaps it was from the late-antiquity...
  7. Turns out someone in the family is probable...

    Turns out someone in the family is probable T-CTS933. This clade’s sub-branches were found in Archaic and Roman Greece. They are found among modern Albanians, Italians, Turks and other Europeans,...
  8. Haplogroup T was found in Archaic Kastrouli and...

    Haplogroup T was found in Archaic Kastrouli and Roman Marathon, both under T-Z19890, perhaps indicating these branches might be indigenous. The two branches T-S27463 and/or CTS3767 are found in...
  9. There is a great find in DNA from Greco-Anatolian...

    There is a great find in DNA from Greco-Anatolian southwest Turkey in this study, starting with Halicarnassus. Lazaridis et al. argue for Greeks mixing rather than isolation, as in Empuries. A large...
  10. Dug into samples of personal interest and found...

    Dug into samples of personal interest and found that a parent branch of J-70 (L25) was in Halicarnassus in the Hellenistic period. Lazaridis et al. describe this sample (I3303) as heavily Levantine...
  11. Completely agree. Like what accounts for E-V13 in...

    Completely agree. Like what accounts for E-V13 in places where Vlachs and Albanians didn’t migrate to, or did in small numbers perhaps? Hopefully new studies will start coming out (but not counting...
  12. Some interesting findings, looking through the Y...

    Some interesting findings, looking through the Y DNA of the study. An Albanian is in the Y DNA branch of an ancient Greek from near Delphi of the Archaic period.
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  13. That sample is Hellenistic era and...

    That sample is Hellenistic era and Mycenaean/Empuries-like, from the Biomuse project PCA. Most of those are similar, post-Mycenean ancient Greeks plotting with or near Mycenaeans. But because the...
  14. Did not notice much if any Y DNA R1a. There are...

    Did not notice much if any Y DNA R1a. There are so many samples to go through.
  15. Two takeaways, one of them huge, is that...

    Two takeaways, one of them huge, is that Lazaridis et al. support the Steppe/Minoan admixture model for Mycenaeans rather than ANE mixing with Armenian from the east, as both were proposed/discussed...
  16. Disappointed that there are only two...

    Disappointed that there are only two post-Mycenaean ancient Greek Y DNA samples. Not sure how we can draw any big conclusions about haplogroups with so few samples. Both available samples are...
  17. Sorry, one of the two Mugla L70-looking samples...

    Sorry, one of the two Mugla L70-looking samples was from ca. 975 ad. So L70 apparently has been in southwest Anatolia for a few hundred years at least. It's no wonder why some east Aegean islanders...
  18. The study does have one J-L70 sample from east...

    The study does have one J-L70 sample from east Anatolia ca. 1,000 ad, and two from Mugla (never heard of it before), southwest Anatolia, ca. 1,400 ad. The Mugla samples are J2a1a1b2a1 (long, I know),...
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    It looks like the Mycenaean J-L70 is not from the...

    It looks like the Mycenaean J-L70 is not from the Lazaridis Southern Arc paper. Is there another upcoming paper with this sample? Thanks.
  20. The rumored J-L70 Mycenaean sample does not...

    The rumored J-L70 Mycenaean sample does not appear to be in this study, unless I missed something. Currently looking. Has anyone seen it?
  21. Sorry if this is a double-post. My first post...

    Sorry if this is a double-post. My first post seems to have disappeared. Having difficulty accessing the Y DNA and mtDNA samples of this study. Can someone post them here, if possible? Thanks.
  22. Trying but failing to access any Y DNA or mtDNA...

    Trying but failing to access any Y DNA or mtDNA samples of this paper. Can someone post that data here, if they get it/it exists? Thanks.
  23. Trying to access the Y DNA of the Reich study but...

    Trying to access the Y DNA of the Reich study but having a bit of difficulty now. Someone indicated somewhere that J2a-L70 from a Mycenaean site is in this study. One of my great-grandfathers was...
  24. There are a number of Peloponnesian males with...

    There are a number of Peloponnesian males with J2a and G haplogroups. To say they have no ancient Greek descent means that none of their ancestors had it either. They would have all had to come from...
  25. Modern Peloponnesians can’t be medieval...

    Modern Peloponnesians can’t be medieval Anatolian/south Italian Greek replacements while simultaneously having substantial Slavic ancestry and no ancient Greek ancestry, all while really being...
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