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    Yeah, from what I remember, Giannopoulos mentions...

    Yeah, from what I remember, Giannopoulos mentions (among others) the theory of a potential connection of proto-Greek with Cetina, one of the post-Vucedol cultures, but also brings up that it might be...
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    Vladimir Orel also thought that within IE...

    Vladimir Orel also thought that within IE Albanian overall shared most lexical isoglosses with Balto-Slavic and secondarily with Greek (which he thought might imply cohabitation of the ancestral...
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    Yep, that's indeed true, there have been...

    Yep, that's indeed true, there have been Mycenaean findings in southern Epirus and Pieria (southern Macedonia) to my knowledge but both areas (and even parts of Thessaly) seem to have been rather...
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    I think the map Yetos posted was based on...

    I think the map Yetos posted was based on Georgiev's view that pre-Greek toponyms (the ss/nth type of stuff, and others) start to dramatically dwindle beyond a certain line that roughly runs from...
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    As you wrote above, I think much of the apparent...

    As you wrote above, I think much of the apparent misunderstanding in this thread stems from you and Yetos using "Hellenes" to specifically refer to the identity that emerged from perhaps a tribe in...
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    He surveys plenty of older views on the topic too...

    He surveys plenty of older views on the topic too before presenting his own and little has changed since then debate-wise on those little attested languages in linguistics. He can also hardly be...
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    Check out the section on Illyrian in Katicic -...

    Check out the section on Illyrian in Katicic - Ancient Languages of the Balkans. He comments on the issue of Illyrian linguistic/dialectal variation too based on the anthroponymic evidence, from...
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    Well, the section on the Albanians and their late...

    Well, the section on the Albanians and their late medieval migrations to Epirus, and further south, from the source you linked seems pretty uncontroversial to me and also seems to agree with what I...
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    I'm sure you know all about the relevant Balkan...

    I'm sure you know all about the relevant Balkan subclades much better judging by other posts but something like L283 seems pretty widespread, including in areas that don't necessarily seem...
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    Yeah sure, I don't disagree that it's annoying...

    Yeah sure, I don't disagree that it's annoying especially since most Balkan debates are heated most of the time but his points go well beyond that and about internal Albanian changes, the treatment...
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    It's fine to be annoyed at the usual cliches that...

    It's fine to be annoyed at the usual cliches that introduce Balkan articles and focus on local nationalisms but I don't see how it discredits his general points. It's true that there's debate about...
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    That's just transparent well-poisoning. There...

    That's just transparent well-poisoning.

    There was one 19th Arberesh writer who actually agreed with the Caucasus theory too apparently, and that makes perfect sense in the early linguistic and...
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    Whatever disagreements there are, and it isn't...

    Whatever disagreements there are, and it isn't like Matzinger's theory is the be-all end-all of things, it's clear that he is a serious contemporary scholar. I'm sure no one can fully "objectively...
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    Read some Ducellier, he refers to them. Actually...

    Read some Ducellier, he refers to them. Actually even sources that you yourself have brought (like Giakoumis who almost takes some sort of intermediate stance where Greco-Albanian cohabitation in...
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    The thread goes off the rails with various claims...

    The thread goes off the rails with various claims of connections after the first post so it's uninteresting to follow much but, as Yetos correctly pointed out in this case, this doesn't name the city...
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    Some of Matzinger's articles are available in...

    Some of Matzinger's articles are available in Albanian online too:

    http://www.academia.edu/6702154/Shqiptaret_iliret

    I reread the paper you posted, with some translation help and some...
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    Basically everything in this part is wrong from...

    Basically everything in this part is wrong from start to finish. You should read something on the Greek dialects and their interrelation.
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    Its distribution and frequencies are interesting...

    Its distribution and frequencies are interesting to say the least. It shows that either it wasn't some "core" proto-Slavic clade or that at least certain Slavic-speaking groups that moved to the west...
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    Some clarification here: 1) The Late...

    Some clarification here:

    1) The Late Neolithic-Chalcolithic population (so far, based on what has been sampled since many areas are still terra incognita) in the Aegean, southern Greece (also...
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    https://i.imgur.com/vWdehu2.jpg ...

    https://i.imgur.com/vWdehu2.jpg

    http://intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue40/2/1.html#figure1
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    This is an old post and all and a "Dorian...

    This is an old post and all and a "Dorian invasion" might not even be particularly detectible but the idea that it has been "tested and disproven" somehow is not quite true. I'm not sure where you...
  22. That's an eminently reasonable supposition at its...

    That's an eminently reasonable supposition at its core, unlike many of the central claims that seem to be offered in these sorts of threads every time that often rely not even on cognates but false...
  23. Cool, I thought you had something like that in...

    Cool, I thought you had something like that in mind. I don't quite agree with at least some of your associations and hypotheses (though the idea that various later Iron Age intrusions into the...
  24. We've been through all this before. The threads...

    We've been through all this before. The threads were even unfortunately deleted in some supposed spirit of not "derailing threads" which just helps the constant recycling of these topics and the...
  25. Milan, I think you misunderstood some of my...

    Milan, I think you misunderstood some of my points but it doesn't matter since we agree on the basic thing - we'll know with more data.

    I have seen your various theories in the past trying to...
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