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    We also have specific R1b clades in sardinia...

    We also have specific R1b clades in sardinia shared with Alb:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y10789/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PF7563/

    Pf7562 has highest european diversity and frequency in...
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    I meant the parent clade to cts6190, common to...

    I meant the parent clade to cts6190, common to etruscan and dalmatian. Contact J2 project admin for confirmation. I am not falsifying anything.
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    So he is not on Yfull..? Are you accusing me of...

    So he is not on Yfull..? Are you accusing me of making that turkish guy up?
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    I didn't want to comment anymore but was adressed...

    I didn't want to comment anymore but was adressed directly.

    Yes, CTS6190 has been found in a turkish guy who says he has Albanian origins. We also have clades other than z638, which has tmrca of...
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    They are both under Y15058 which has a TMRCA of...

    They are both under Y15058 which has a TMRCA of 3900 YBP. The Dalmatian Y15058 sample is from 3620 - 3520 YBP.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15058/


    Like I commented before, the argument of...
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    What about it being downstrwam of the mathieson...

    What about it being downstrwam of the mathieson sample do you not understand? Etruscans were not IE, so if it was "common equally" to both an IE and etruscan group, ot cannot always have been. What...
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    This paper is about the history of rome. And...

    This paper is about the history of rome. And there is special pleading false arguments being made about the only Etruscan ydna sample. Lets not mention albanians ever again. Where is that L283 from?
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    1. The Etruscan L283 is downstream of the 1000...

    1. The Etruscan L283 is downstream of the 1000 year older croatian coast sample, meaning they are recently related. This doesn't favour the continental route, but a trans-adriatic one.

    2. Among...
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    If anyone seriously wants to argue that L283 is...

    If anyone seriously wants to argue that L283 is not illyrian but authentically etruscan, it necessitates the positing of a etruscan migration from the illyrian coast lol. Good luck with that.
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    From this paper and Grugni 2018, we now know...

    From this paper and Grugni 2018, we now know which Y-lines were introduced into Italy by the Illyrians and Messapics:
    J2b-L283
    R1b-Z2103
    E-V13 (still not clear which exact clades, but Grugni...
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    Ok it seems the z2103 assignment is indeed...

    Ok it seems the z2103 assignment is indeed correct.

    So the Italic male lines are probably:
    U152>Z56
    U152>L2
    R1b-Z2118

    And the Etruscan:
    I1.
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    R1016 is not a certain Z2103 it seems: Ted...

    R1016 is not a certain Z2103 it seems:

    Ted Kandell writes: "R1016 is *both* Z2103+ and L51+. Impossible. It's completely ambiguous. Contamination?"
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    The L283 in Rome is downstream of the exact same...

    The L283 in Rome is downstream of the exact same clade as the 1000 year older Illyrian coast sample.

    R1b-Z2013 is one of the 3 main Albanian paternal lineages, and it is a Balkan R1b, not really...
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    Sample R1016 seems to be R1b-Z2103. This, like...

    Sample R1016 seems to be R1b-Z2103. This, like L283 is one of the 3 main Albanian paternal lineages, thus increasing possibility that it has shared recent origin on the Illyrian coast from the same...
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    He was arguing until quite recently for J2b...

    He was arguing until quite recently for J2b middle eastern/anatolian/levant origin. He must have seen something convincing to have abandoned that position. I guess more samples are coming.
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    I don't believe that specific individuals like...

    I don't believe that specific individuals like aneas existed, but if an entire community is being mentioned arriving in italy and specific sites are attributed to being built by them, this is a...
  17. From the latest book this year on Messapic: ...

    From the latest book this year on Messapic:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI3oOUAWkAEAJb4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
  18. I wonder if the Geganii noble family of the...

    I wonder if the Geganii noble family of the Albans, the Dardanians that founded Alba Longa, have any etymological relation Gegė Albanians, as we refer to northerners.
  19. David Reich is no dummy: ...

    David Reich is no dummy:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI3darfXsAAf3ln?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI3dargWsAAuLoz?format=png&name=900x900
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    Ah yes, J2b2, which is highest in Apulia and Po...

    Ah yes, J2b2, which is highest in Apulia and Po Valley. Those Messapics must be bell beakers. Messapic languages are bell beaker language?
    ...
  21. " Among the Illyrians the Autariatae, Ardiaei,...

    " Among the Illyrians the Autariatae, Ardiaei, and Dardanii, and among the Thracians the Triballi; that is, they were reduced in warfare by one another at first and then later by the Macedonians and...
  22. In the Iliad, the Dardanians and Mysians are two...

    In the Iliad, the Dardanians and Mysians are two seperate peoples and always referred to as such. Mysia neighbours Troy/Dardania. In the Aeneid, the Dardanians come to Italy where they meet the...
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    1. Given that this L283 sample is a downstream...

    1. Given that this L283 sample is a downstream branch of the older Croatian clade, this is not a good candidate for being a local Etruscan clade, but rather having it's origins in the Illyrian coast....
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    Straw man. I commented nothing on the Etruscans...

    Straw man. I commented nothing on the Etruscans being Illyrians. They are two seperate things. I clearly stated that the L283 sample has Illyrian origin. This is hard to argue against since it is in...
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    Im not claiming that L283 is native etruscan, i'm...

    Im not claiming that L283 is native etruscan, i'm specifically saying it is not etruscan but illyrian, that assimilated with the locals. That is what the Aeneid describes.

    Leonard Palmer mentions...
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