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    Actually a lot of the Brnjica ended up at the...

    Actually a lot of the Brnjica ended up at the Lower Danube and contributed to the emerging Thracian mix later.

    Others "fled to the hills" and later merged with Channelled Ware in their area of...
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    The special thing about both E-V13 and J-L283 is...

    The special thing about both E-V13 and J-L283 is that they had LBA-EIA founder effect series in different regions and with specific timings
    Both haplogroups grew rapidlyand beingnow widespread...
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    The paper is important, as it correctly points to...

    The paper is important, as it correctly points to the great importance of the Carpathian basin for the evolution of the Urnfield phenomenon, but it has some flaws as well.

    This argument is...
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    Nobody really knows at this point, but fact is...

    Nobody really knows at this point, but fact is that there was a wide stretch of land, and modern Albanians are directly in that zone, in which Proto-Illyrian J-L283 and the earlier groups (Thracian...
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    Clearly, E-V13, J-L283 and R-Z2103 lived at least...

    Clearly, E-V13, J-L283 and R-Z2103 lived at least close to each others latest since 900 BC.
    That predates the modern Albanians, even the Proto-Albanians by a bit.
    J-L283 is higher in the North...
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    The chain for E-V13 likely goes, in bracket the...

    The chain for E-V13 likely goes, in bracket the dominant funerary rite:

    Eastern Makó (cremation) -> Nyírség (cremation) -> Hatvan-Early Otomani (cremation) -> Suciu de Sus/Berkes-Demecser (cremation)...
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    Its nice to have such summaries for the cultural...

    Its nice to have such summaries for the cultural formations. Especially the so called "West and Central" zone being of interest, with Nyírség and Makó.


    Two separate entities, but related in an...
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    He obviously is a specialist in genetics and I...

    He obviously is a specialist in genetics and I pretty much trust him on many things, but these assumptions being based on completely outdated informations. Some old theories assumed a primary source...
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    The text is more specific: ...

    The text is more specific:


    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10963-022-09164-0

    Compare with this paper:
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    I wondered about that too, because the Venetics...

    I wondered about that too, because the Venetics are among the people with more Urnfield/Channelled Ware influences afaik. And possibly even more E-V13 than their neighbours.

    About Romania and the...
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    I think the Uneticians and Pannonian Tell...

    I think the Uneticians and Pannonian Tell cultures being interconnected and largely cooperating. There came a rebellion from the Southern German EBA groups which were maximally in the Unetician...
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    It's possible. But while I'm sure about E-Z5018...

    It's possible. But while I'm sure about E-Z5018 and E-Z5017 being spread by Channelled Ware people, every other group needs to be looked at on its own right.
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    It's really the Tisza-Danube area which expands...

    It's really the Tisza-Danube area which expands down, with its rituals and customs. The Illyrian core fully rejected the cremation indeed, and stuck with its custom of burying the dead in collective...
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    For the E-V13 story I would especially follow...

    For the E-V13 story I would especially follow from Nyírség -> Suciu de Sus/Berkesz-Demecser ->Lăpuș/Csorva -> Gáva -> Belegis II-Gáva.
    Especially the scattering of the ashes and burial in urns, two types...
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    Everything considered a Dardanian origin story is...

    Everything considered a Dardanian origin story is still the most likely, because they had both Illyrian and Thracian (from Channelled Ware/Psenichevo-Basarabi/E-V13) elements, which would account for...
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    If there any correlatoin of yDNA with plotting in...

    If there any correlatoin of yDNA with plotting in Albanians? Like the E-V13 heavy Kosovans more Northern shifted? Other E-V13 provinces in the same direction or different etc.
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    Honestly, exclusively Gáva/Upper Tisza would be...

    Honestly, exclusively Gáva/Upper Tisza would be strange, considering how interconnected these groups along the Tisza were. Especially if it was widespread in local groups like Suciu de Sus.
    The...
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    A second language is not the same. In Central...

    A second language is not the same. In Central Europe there were many places in which people could speak more than one language, at least a bit, but they still defined themselves by what...
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    Something factual, more evidence for the...

    Something factual, more evidence for the importance of J-L283 for early Illyrians, post from Anthrogenica:


    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20126-J2b-L283&p=845433&viewfull=1#post845433
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    The Illyrians came in the MBA most likely, down...

    The Illyrians came in the MBA most likely, down from an area close to the Alps-Adriatic zone. We don't know details yet, but either that or they were more regionalised and just allied up with the...
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    It is very clear however that going by the...

    It is very clear however that going by the archaeological evidence, that the Illyrians came from the relative North West, Thracians from the North and East, both met at the borders of modern Albania....
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    Funnily, most of the potential migration from...

    Funnily, most of the potential migration from Roman territories into Free Dacian and Gothic areas were coming from Daco-Romans. So genetically speaking, they were Dacians as well largely, whether...
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    The Mediterranean phenotype described in physical...

    The Mediterranean phenotype described in physical anthropology doesn't necessarily imply an actual recent Southern, Mediterranean Sea area origin. Beside, many Sarmatians and Scythians, including...
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    The problem comes from the fact that we deal with...

    The problem comes from the fact that we deal with two fairly distinct cultural and archaeological spheres as well. Not just linguistically these are two groups, whether they being themselves related...
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    Which E-V13 from Illyrian lands? Bronze to Iron...

    Which E-V13 from Illyrian lands? Bronze to Iron Age?



    E-V13 is very likely to be one way or another, even if just as an assimilated minority-border lineage, involved with actual Illyrians. The...
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