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  1. Where is this leak from?

    Where is this leak from?
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    How can you tell E-V13 was not brought by near...

    How can you tell E-V13 was not brought by near easterner migrants since it increased during 0-500?
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    1) it models the statistical average of all the...

    1) it models the statistical average of all the imperial Romans, which were made up of 3 or 4 different clusters, which means that there was no panmixia but overall the individuals; that paper itself...
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    It makes the fit tighter for Imperial Rome...

    It makes the fit tighter for Imperial Rome because there are some few Levantines, as you mentioned, but it isn't clear how much ancestry they left to subsequent Italians, indeed it would seem that...
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    As far as modern papers go, modern Italians don't...

    As far as modern papers go, modern Italians don't show any excess of Levantine ancestry, despite what people on other fora might blabber, and they get modelled at most with "Minoan" as their pre-IE...
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    Would you care to explain why? Actually it is...

    Would you care to explain why? Actually it is already settled, unless the eastern route also brought WSH ancestry into Greece.
  7. 850 and 437 are outliers relative to the main...

    850 and 437 are outliers relative to the main cluster of Etruscans and Italics, even the leaked samples from the Campanian paper show Samnites were akin to Latins and Etruscans.
    Though they were...
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    This remark of mine is beyond the main point...

    This remark of mine is beyond the main point since official studies show higher CHG/Iran_N in modern Italians compared to the ancient ones, but talking of modern Italian samples the problem with G25...
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    1) Calcolithic Italian farmers had a bit of...

    1) Calcolithic Italian farmers had a bit of Iran_N/CHG admixture, though it was not much, so insomuch Etruscans derive from them they too must have a bit of Iran_N/CHG admixture
    2)It is not clear...
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    I highly doubt the Anatolian hypothesis holds any...

    I highly doubt the Anatolian hypothesis holds any water, and I see this as a desperate attempt to account for something that oughtn't be a problem at all: there needn't be a 100% correlation between...
  11. It might be the limitation of the model or maybe...

    It might be the limitation of the model or maybe trying with some EEF-like component (ancient Balkanites weren't pure steppe mixed with Minoans, but carried also EEF ancestry, as the Logkas samples...
  12. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30...

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.458211v1.full how they model the putatively Anatolian samples is in the supplements.

    As for the Croatian samples in the recent paper about the...
  13. Though it can be that the Iberomaurasian could be...

    Though it can be that the Iberomaurasian could be too low to detect in formal stats if the sample was half Levantine, the fact that the tests showed this sample showed no significant affinities is a...
  14. It is simulated coordinates though The...

    It is simulated coordinates though



    The same paper argued that so far the data suggested that the near eastern foreigners did not contribute to the subsequent gene pool of the Balkans, and this...
  15. It doesn't look so, the study characterises him...

    It doesn't look so, the study characterises him as:
    1)"positioned close to the well-documented Neolithic cline of Anatolians to European populations"
    2)We further attempted to investigate if the...
  16. Honestly it seems to me they are a bit different:...

    Honestly it seems to me they are a bit different: I recall that the Aegean_BA cluster was below and east of Sicilians on a PCA, whereas this main Greek cluster seems just below Sicilians, and it...
  17. Can I ask why the focus has gone to southern...

    Can I ask why the focus has gone to southern Italians when the topic is about ancient Greeks?
    Anyway, this additional natufian admixture is something I have never seen in any official paper, since...
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    To split EEF into "WHG" and "Barcin_N" to claim...

    To split EEF into "WHG" and "Barcin_N" to claim that northern Europeans are "mostly WHG+Steppe" is odd and borderline nonsensical: in a sense it's true, but Steppe people mixed with EEF, a...
  19. Your wording is a bit ambiguous (was it a...

    Your wording is a bit ambiguous (was it a "minoan-like" as in literally "minoan-like" or a population that had a more minoan-like substrate/it's ideally better modelled with minoan as a substrate?),...
  20. It is hard to tell, in terms of direct ancestry,...

    It is hard to tell, in terms of direct ancestry, but in terms of affinity yes it's true overall, taking Latin_IA as "Italic" (Italic was a linguistic group foremost, and if upcoming Sicily_IA samples...
  21. What is to be seen is what caused south Italians...

    What is to be seen is what caused south Italians to be modelled best as Minoan+steppe, which suggests an increase in CHG/Iran_N with respect to their ancestors in the IA.
    What is peculiar is that...
  22. To me it seems just a really bad study, at least...

    To me it seems just a really bad study, at least some parts and results: as far as I recall, though I might be wrong, Levantines are mostly similar to their BA ancestors, and it has been confirmed in...
  23. Overall I get the impression your friend can be...

    Overall I get the impression your friend can be taken as a very general proxy for "eastern islander/western anatolian" Greek, though half of the ancestry of his mother isn't known and half of his...
  24. Could you tell us where your friend and his mom...

    Could you tell us where your friend and his mom are from? It would be interesting to get a picture of greek results from various places in Greece, ofc if it's not a private piece of information.
  25. I notice you've noticed too: all southern...

    I notice you've noticed too: all southern Europeans (minus basques and sardinians) seem to have been "eastern shifted" (meaning they are upward shifted in the PCA and have higher CHG/Iran_N levels)...
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