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  1. I completely forgot about that idiot, people...

    I completely forgot about that idiot, people shouldnt get so worked up about y dna when we dont have enough ancient dna to determine who came from where. We are only speculating
  2. That is cool but it doesnt answer the question...

    That is cool but it doesnt answer the question regarding illyrians until we get concrete dates. Only late bronze would be helpful, mostly iron age. It could be illyrians came from elsewhere and wiped...
  3. If we are talking about these sort of dates then...

    If we are talking about these sort of dates then it is difficult to link j2b l283 to illyrians as it clearly predates them. We need ancient dna from 900bc-100ad to better determine
  4. You are mixing up r1b z2103 with j2b l283 - z2103...

    You are mixing up r1b z2103 with j2b l283 - z2103 is almost non existant in western europe whereas j2b is found more in italy.

    Albanians today have 1% western european r1b, it is clear to...
  5. Are you sure you found not a single link to italy...

    Are you sure you found not a single link to italy or greece? Do you know how much j2a is found in greece and south italy? There is a lot so maybe take a closer look. Otherwise, start looking at the...
  6. So far this is what we know of the r1b tree,...

    So far this is what we know of the r1b tree, z2103 split very early from western r1b groups and is almost non existant in western europe today
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  7. Came from Africa? Not quite but not far from...

    Came from Africa? Not quite but not far from there. It doesnt really matter where they came from, what matters is when they settled in europe. E and j2b are clearly not typical western european lines...
  8. How common is this line in england or ireland?

    How common is this line in england or ireland?
  9. Bottle neck? So what, i dont get your point with...

    Bottle neck? So what, i dont get your point with bringing up a bottle neck. North albania is full of mountains and people still live in mountains today so it is possible that north albanians are more...
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    We know they have mixed with the northern...

    We know they have mixed with the northern illyrians and other groups that lived there by process of haplogroup elimination. We see that their y dna is over 50% south slavic and this makes sense...
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    Not sure why you are belittling south slavs like...

    Not sure why you are belittling south slavs like that but anyway they were obviously weakened by romans first as were thracians. Also, illyrians were never completely unified - scattered in different...
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    Of course Taulantii were illyrian - whether they...

    Of course Taulantii were illyrian - whether they were one of 4 big "dardani" tribes is impossible to tell, we dont even know for sure if dardani were just another group in the branch of illyrians or...
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    Like I said illyrians kept pushing the already...

    Like I said illyrians kept pushing the already expanded greeks south over time - they were mostly more northern around 700bc labelled as barbarians from the north. You will find greek temples in...
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    Not as fixated as the ancients who met Thracians!...

    Not as fixated as the ancients who met Thracians!

    "Indeed, the ancient Greeks were wary of their Thracian neighbours (the gladiator Spartacus amongst them) and were reluctant to rile them because...
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    What year is this from? Albani tribe doesnt mean...

    What year is this from? Albani tribe doesnt mean anything - its just a small name on the map amongst many others - if you are saying this map means they are below illyrians regionally and unrelated...
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    I thought Homer called them barbaric not speakers...

    I thought Homer called them barbaric not speakers of ancient Greek? Did he mention what happened to them?
    Could just be early g or i2 peeps then.
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    I think "pelasgians" seem like nothing more than...

    I think "pelasgians" seem like nothing more than a storytime myth - almost like some mythical greek stories about zeus etc.

    If they existed they were likely some early people who inhabited the...
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    The map of epirus covers only a small portion of...

    The map of epirus covers only a small portion of albania (the south) - most albanians live outside of that region and plenty in kosovo and macedonia in fact even further north prior to recent events...
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    Native to who?? Thracians were not j2a and...

    Native to who?? Thracians were not j2a and neither were illyrians. J2a had to come from somewhere - the early greeks had plenty j2a and g2 so maybe thracians were heavily influenced by greeks early...
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    Romans often mention illyria not epirus - epirus...

    Romans often mention illyria not epirus - epirus was further south. One of their leaders died in south greece peloponesse. Epirus was mostly greek land/people...
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    Founder effect is nonsense really - founder...

    Founder effect is nonsense really - founder effect is something that happens when there are no other men to compete with - when they have been wiped out. A founder effect of v13 in albania due to...
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    Of course they were exterminated - they lost...

    Of course they were exterminated - they lost their language and they lost their red hair. To me if you compare bulgarian y dna with serbian you would see an almost complete population replacement -...
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    Without access to a bulgarian database we have no...

    Without access to a bulgarian database we have no proof and same case for lack of ancient dna. Like I said the language and the red hair are the most important factors to look at when discussing...
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    It doesnt make sense for v13 to survive more...

    It doesnt make sense for v13 to survive more amongst albanians instead of lets say bulgarians and yet be of thracian origin. The thracians were decimated by romans (and illyrians) - romans placed...
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    I believe south and north albanians ultimately...

    I believe south and north albanians ultimately come from different illyrian (and a few non illyrian) groups - this is why the language not so much but the accent at least is slightly different. It...
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