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  1. Antonio et al 2019 said that C6 is a...

    Antonio et al 2019 said that C6 is a distinguished cluster. The Imperial and medieval Tuscans look like they fall into that category. They are central Mediterranean, not eastern Mediterranean, which...
  2. From the Antonio et al. 2019 paper, C6 is Central...

    From the Antonio et al. 2019 paper, C6 is Central Mediterranean and is similar to central and southern Italy. It is distinguished from the other clusters. End of story.
  3. Yes I know, but I happen to think you are doing...

    Yes I know, but I happen to think you are doing it wrong.
  4. Using your same logic, I could take Balkans_IA,...

    Using your same logic, I could take Balkans_IA, and say Tuscans and southern Italians are 100% native Balkans_IA. But we know that isn't true.
  5. Even if it fits it doesn't matter. You can do the...

    Even if it fits it doesn't matter. You can do the same with modern populations, nor doesn't it mean it is true. So I fail to see your point. That's just taking an uncontrolled set of samples with no...
  6. I don't think C7+C4 equaling C6 makes much sense,...

    I don't think C7+C4 equaling C6 makes much sense, when C6 is already a cluster unto itself prior to that from happening. Also, you can't ignore the fact that those types of ancestry disappear, by...
  7. Basically, it seems that both studies are looking...

    Basically, it seems that both studies are looking at the same results, with two different conclusions.

    One thing is certain l, it seems both areas had central-southern Italian-like people in the...
  8. I have just realized there is literally only 1...

    I have just realized there is literally only 1 sample here that matches up with C5 Eastern Mediterranean.

    What the hell!?

    They are ovewhelmingly C7 and C6

    I don't understand, are these not...
  9. Samples from this paper vs samples from the...

    Samples from this paper vs samples from the Antonio et al. 2019 paper:



    Distance to:
    C.Italy_Etruscan:Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE:VOL001


    4.17557182...
  10. These medieval samples from Tuscany would not...

    These medieval samples from Tuscany would not have been considered "Eastern Mediterranean" in the Antonio et al. 2019 paper. Rather, they would have been put in the C6 cluster "Mediterranean".
    ...
  11. Distance to:...

    Distance to:
    C.Italy_Early.Medieval_ETR014:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_977-1022CE:ETR014


    3.41493777
    C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna


    3.62932501...
  12. They're not distant from R437 (Latin IA sample),...

    They're not distant from R437 (Latin IA sample), and Balkan_IA, both of which have similar ancestry to the C6 Imperial samples. That's the ancestry that re-surged in the middle ages, in Latium,...
  13. @Pax, take a look at the pca values in the way I...

    @Pax, take a look at the pca values in the way I have reorganized it:

    https://i.imgur.com/UCshCN5.png

    https://i.imgur.com/Jerc4Zh.png

    ...
  14. That's a good observation. Same kind of distance...

    That's a good observation. Same kind of distance between Daunians and modern Puglia.
  15. https://i.imgur.com/68hqRhy.png When thinking...

    https://i.imgur.com/68hqRhy.png

    When thinking of the position of samples like R437, considering it is a just a bit west of most Modern South Italians/Sicilians; It would be bracketed between...
  16. Here is an average of 23 Etruscans from the BCE,...

    Here is an average of 23 Etruscans from the BCE, not including any outliers.

    ...
  17. Sticky: Thank you so much, I forgot to include the...

    Thank you so much,

    I forgot to include the newest update to the Etruscan samples. They would replace the ones that say Etruscan-Pre-print, because they have the full-archeological data. At any...
  18. https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2021/09/26/there-is...

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2021/09/26/there-is-no-mystery-to-persistence-of-some-languages-despite-gene-flow/#comments

    I made these points in the gnxp comments section.
  19. I think to say the entire genetic profile of the...

    I think to say the entire genetic profile of the Italian peninsula was 100% Etruscan/Italic during the Iron Age is pretty naive imo. Why is it that our neighbors to the east exist on a cline from...
  20. Right, I see it now.

    Right, I see it now.
  21. However, Daunians are not Italic, and it is...

    However, Daunians are not Italic, and it is called Italic C. Maybe southern Italics?
  22. Not at the moment, but I am keeping my eye open...

    Not at the moment, but I am keeping my eye open for when they come about. Same for the Daunian samples, I am interested to see how they would project on the PCA.
  23. Compare the graphic above, to the one posted by...

    Compare the graphic above, to the one posted by Pax:

    https://i.imgur.com/mQwkAlS.jpg
  24. https://i.imgur.com/68hqRhy.png Olalde et al....

    https://i.imgur.com/68hqRhy.png

    Olalde et al. 2021 actually gives us some insight into this, it shows the PCA with Italy Rome Republic (i.e. Latins & Etruscans) as well as Aegean IA & BA. Modern...
  25. They do overlap, but during the IA Iberians we're...

    They do overlap, but during the IA Iberians we're similar to Basque and pulled towards the position of Etruscans because of outside sources during the Roman Empire, and medieval period. Italians Are...
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