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    :lol2::lol2: Don't get Riverman started now. ...

    :lol2::lol2: Don't get Riverman started now.

    In all seriousness though, I think the most likely origin of Albanian J-PH4679 lineages is the mountainous regions of northern Albania. Ancient...
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    Yes, but as can be seen in the "live...

    Yes, but as can be seen in the "live" version of the YFull tree, he forms a new subclade defined by J-Y250639 plus 45 other SNPs with the existing Hungarian from Vas, which means they are not too...
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    torzio/sile/zanipolo/vettor, stop embarrassing...

    torzio/sile/zanipolo/vettor, stop embarrassing yourself and go take a nap :lol2: Your obsession with Albanians is mind boggling.
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    Absolutely great points. And let's not forget...

    Absolutely great points. And let's not forget that in addition to J-L283, we have R-Z2103+ confirmed among the Iapygians (Daunians). So we have evidence that southern Illyrians carried at least these...
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    This was discussed here...

    This was discussed here about a month ago. That study has not been published yet, only the raw data. I suppose it will be published "soon". In case I miss/missed it, someone please post it.

    Those...
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    Here we go again with the old...

    Here we go again with the old Tyrrhenian/Sardinian hypothesis. Even the Southern Arc paper states this:

    "J-Z2507 (within J2) is found in 21 individuals. It is part of haplogroup J-M102 for which...
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    Historical facts state there were Illyrians in...

    Historical facts state there were Illyrians in modern Albania.

    But thanks for exposing yourself for what you are..
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    I have to applaud user Excine. Unlike some around...

    I have to applaud user Excine. Unlike some around these foras, he has consistently shown that his opinions are not influenced by what haplogroup he belongs to. He sees things as they are, and without...
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    Since the BAM files have been published...

    Since the BAM files have been published, I looked into the raw data for some of these samples. Below are some improvements/corrections.



    He is showing negative at J-Z40052, J-Z38240, and...
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    Fair enough, I just wanted to make the point that...

    Fair enough, I just wanted to make the point that we should be careful with regards to which J2 branches to call "Illyrian", when the data nowadays is right in front of our eyes.
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    If you followed forum "Foleja", the first person...

    If you followed forum "Foleja", the first person to propose it was user Kelmendasi back in 2017 when I4331 from MBA Dalmatia was first published. I remember like today, because I thought it was...
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    You have the same story with other South Slavic...

    You have the same story with other South Slavic nations. J2b-L283 doesn't even exceed 5% among any of them. Bosnian Serbs usually have elevated levels of J2b-M205 (due to a recent founder effect of...
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    What "nationalistic theories of mine are shot"?...

    What "nationalistic theories of mine are shot"? Just because I listed the samples from Albania first, which were based on alphabetical order, like the supplementary sheet from the paper.

    Come on...
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    I see. I think you don't like it the way posted...

    I see. I think you don't like it the way posted because the samples from Albania are listed first :embarassed:

    Well, if you look at the Supplementary materials Data S1 from the paper, the samples...
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    Yes. Just had to mention the genetic link between...

    Yes. Just had to mention the genetic link between early Iapygians and ancient Montenegro in J-Y21878 so that people like Torzio are once and for all proven wrong. Not that he hasn't already been...
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    Unfortunately, the current Reich lab methodology...

    Unfortunately, the current Reich lab methodology (1240k data) does not have good coverage for some subclades, one of them being J-Y21045 or downstream, and this particular sample doesn't have good...
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    Well, I tried to tell you just that ;-) ...

    Well, I tried to tell you just that ;-)
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34165-J2b2-L283-(proto-illyrian)/page35?p=636842&viewfull=1#post636842

    The MBA sample (~1800 BCE) from Shkrel...
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    From the newly published "The genetic history of...

    From the newly published "The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe" we have the following J2b-L283 samples:


    I8471, 1880-1695 calBCE, ALB_BA, Shkrel,...
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    Last time I checked, Dardanians are considered...

    Last time I checked, Dardanians are considered mainly as a branch of Illyrians anyways, especially the ones to the west where the aDNA samples come from. There is also J2b-L283s in the same exact...
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    Exactly! And we have a R-CTS9219+ among others..

    Exactly! And we have a R-CTS9219+ among others..
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    The Iapygians or Apulians (/aɪəˈpɪdʒiənz/; Greek:...

    The Iapygians or Apulians (/aɪəˈpɪdʒiənz/; Greek: Ἰάπυγες, Ĭāpyges; Latin: Iāpyges, Iapygii, Umbrian Iabuscer) were an Indo-European speaking people, dwelling in an eponymous region of the...
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    In Kukës county of North Albania, there is a...

    In Kukës county of North Albania, there is a strong founder effect due to Krasniqi, Nikaj, and Gashi tribes, which have a strong presence in the region, where the vast majority of it belongs to a...
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    In the "live" version...

    In the "live" version (https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/J-Z600/) it can be seen they both share many SNPs with the existing J-Z600* sample defined by J-Y260401 plus 50 others, which means they are...
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    Wrong thread. Delete.
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    As stated here, R3918, 993.5-1149 calCE, Sirmium Serbia, is under R1b-L51>L52>L151. He is not J2b-L283>>CTS6190.

    I'm not sure why Yleaf assigned him to J-CTS6190, but in this case the assignment...
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