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    But this could be related to what we are talking...

    But this could be related to what we are talking about.
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    How does NE Caucasians having a high degree of...

    How does NE Caucasians having a high degree of Steppe admixture support their relationship to the Hurro-Urartians? If Hurro-Urartians were connected to Indo-Europeans, it was through a...
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    I think we have very much come to the same...

    I think we have very much come to the same conclusions.

    Interestingly, it looks like modern-Armenians are closer to EBA Armenians than they are to the Steppe-derived Bronze Age Armenians--but it...
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    One thing that I was thinking, and that I see...

    One thing that I was thinking, and that I see you've suggested in a way too, is that perhaps some of the earlier "Armenian" Indo-European peoples were Anatolian speakers of some sort (or...
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    Sorry, I didn't address these points: "Last,...

    Sorry, I didn't address these points:

    "Last, whether "genetic signals of population mixture cease after ~1200 BCE" (per the paper you shared) is true or not, is also not indicative of linguistic...
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    For a lot of these points, we are clearly in...

    For a lot of these points, we are clearly in agreement. I think we may have possibly misunderstood each other...or at least I misunderstood you initially. Your views regarding Proto-Indo-European...
  7. There's a theory that the Etruscans were related...

    There's a theory that the Etruscans were related linguistically to the Lemnians, who lived on the island of Lemnos in the Aegean. Neither Etruscan nor Lemnian are believed to be Indo-European.
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    Why are you using Armenian music/dances as an...

    Why are you using Armenian music/dances as an analogy for central/eastern Asian music and dances? Just because Urartu was mostly located in modern Turkey? Whether Altaic is a legitimate linguistic...
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    Macqueen, J. G. (1996 edition) The Hittites, and...

    Macqueen, J. G. (1996 edition) The Hittites, and Their Contemporaries in Asia Minor, revised and enlarged, Ancient Peoples and Places series (ed. G. Daniel), Thames and Hudson, ISBN0-500-02108-2....
  10. We know that there were Greek colonies in...

    We know that there were Greek colonies in different areas of the Black Sea and in the Middle East. Additionally, conquering armies would have brought "hangers on" and established governments would...
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    And in Armenian the equivalent word is mets,...

    And in Armenian the equivalent word is mets, which, unsurprisingly, seems to be between the ancient Greek and the Avestan.

    So perhaps there was a sister language to proto-Armenian and proto-Greek...
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    Wouldn't Iranian Mazania be Makhania or Magania...

    Wouldn't Iranian Mazania be Makhania or Magania in Greek? Iranian z=Greek kh or g.
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    Plus, you have both the Armenian endonym...

    Plus, you have both the Armenian endonym (Hay=Hayasa) and exonym (Urumu and other similar names=(?) Aram, etc) represented in the Armenia-region well before the 700s BCE. Hayasa from the 16th century...
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    I think that there is a connection between...

    I think that there is a connection between Hurro-Urartian and NE Caucasian in a broad sense. I think its very possible (and even probable, if Kura-Araxes was proto-Hurro-Urartian and also if the...
  15. Strabo lived in the 1st century BCE-1st century...

    Strabo lived in the 1st century BCE-1st century CE. Alexander the Great lived in the 4th century BCE. Here is a map of Alexander's empire at its greatest extent.

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    Why would it be...
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    But this is basically what the modern consensus...

    But this is basically what the modern consensus is though. This is what Reich has argued. This is what I think Wang has argued, if I remember correctly. I also think that this is what Damgaard et al...
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    I should also add, Kossian suggests that the...

    I should also add, Kossian suggests that the Transcaucasian ceramic ware (dated to the expansion of the Urumu/Mushki/Kaskas) was derived from the Trialeti-Vanadzor ceramic culture.

    While the...
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    Some very fascinating stuff, indeed. Thanks for...

    Some very fascinating stuff, indeed. Thanks for the great write-up.

    Firstly, I just felt the need to clarify the Hurro-Urartian/NE Caucasian connection because I feel that there has been a lot of...
  19. Thanks! I find this stuff fascinating--especially...

    Thanks! I find this stuff fascinating--especially ancient Near Eastern cultures, and there are so many language isolates and mysterious peoples.
  20. I guess, yeah. Fournet breaks up "Indo-European"...

    I guess, yeah. Fournet breaks up "Indo-European" into two branches, Hurro-Urartian and Eteo-Indo-European (which seems to be what Reich calls Pre-Proto-Indo-European and others call Indo-Hittite)....
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    I didn't make that connection between Crete and...

    I didn't make that connection between Crete and Hurrite but that's super interesting. There's also a theory that Artemis comes from Hurrians or Urartians.

    I just wanted to point out that...
  22. Hurro-Urartian as a sister to Indo-European

    Hurro-Urartian (HU) is a now extinct language family that was spoken in the Bronze Age/Iron Age Near East that consisted of two distinct languages: Hurrian and Urartian. Some compelling evidence has...
  23. Isn't there some evidence of separation between...

    Isn't there some evidence of separation between "the priestly class" (Cohens and Levines?) and others? But if I'm not wrong, Cohen genes appear in different Eastern Mediterranean populations outside...
  24. Are these LMBA Armenians the potential "Satem"...

    Are these LMBA Armenians the potential "Satem" Armenians you and I were talking about some weeks ago?
  25. There was a migration of Armenians into eastern...

    There was a migration of Armenians into eastern Europe (the Carpathian region, Poland, and the Baltic states) when the city of Ani fell to, and much of the population was killed by, the Seljuk Turks...
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