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    Indeed. And the J-YP9 clade in Sardinia likely...

    Indeed. And the J-YP9 clade in Sardinia likely has a fairly high TMRCA as there is two Sardinians there sharing only three SNPs among themselves, probably similar TMRCA to its "brother" J-Z38300.

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    Bingo. In addition to both being J-Y15058+, they...

    Bingo. In addition to both being J-Y15058+, they have very similar Autosomal components. So IMO, this "Etruscan clade" is very likely a migrant from accros the Adriatic, and not the other way around....
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    Today I noticed an interesting new BigY result...

    Today I noticed an interesting new BigY result for J-L283 research. Someone who seems to be with origin from Alsace (France/Germany border region), splits the J-YP29 clade, which is one of the rare...
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    An interesting J2b-L283 in ancient DNA from:...

    An interesting J2b-L283 in ancient DNA from: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6466/708


    Sample R474, Civitavecchia, Etruscan, 700-600 BCE (Iron Age/Roman Republic) is:...
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    The "formed age" of a clade is always the TMRCA...

    The "formed age" of a clade is always the TMRCA of the one it descends from. So in this case, the formed age of R-YP3994 should be ~2400 ybp (the TMRCA of R-Y2902). It's nice that you have ordered...
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    Interesting. I would guess this is the haplotype...

    Interesting. I would guess this is the haplotype with 388=16, 389=13-29 where the Albanian J-Z631>Thaçi-Korbi belongs. The reason is because one such haplotype recently tested as J-Z1043* on their...
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    ^ As usual, Sile posting nonsense 😂

    ^ As usual, Sile posting nonsense 😂
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    Yes, they have it available in their catalog. But...

    Yes, they have it available in their catalog. But sometimes not every known SNP/subclade is included in a Panel. By inquiring, I meant in case they don't automatically test you for it, I would ask...
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    Yes, CTS3617 is at the same level as Y15058, so...

    Yes, CTS3617 is at the same level as Y15058, so you will be positive. Z590 is at the same level as L283, so that one will be positive as well. You can find all this info in the YFull tree. All...
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    There is actually a division within J-Y40288 as...

    There is actually a division within J-Y40288 as suggested by scientific samples from the Phille Hallast study. As can be seen below, PH1568 is one of the upstream SNPs, so YSEQ should test you for...
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    Nice, it seems YSEQ nailed your "terminal"...

    Nice, it seems YSEQ nailed your "terminal" subclade rather quickly. PH1568 is equivalent to YFull's J-Y40288. So your phylogentic position is: J-L283>...>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602>PH1568,Y40288:...
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    Yes, I haven't seen any DYS456=12 (J-PH1602)...

    Yes, I haven't seen any DYS456=12 (J-PH1602) among Albanians as of yet. There is actually one, but he is a match to the J-CTS11100*>Hoti Cluster, so he should have a recent mutation from 13>12 there....
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    I see he has accumulated 23 out of 23 negative...

    I see he has accumulated 23 out of 23 negative votes in just three posts. That must be a record :lmao:
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    And also, let's remind this Serb that J2b2-L283...

    And also, let's remind this Serb that J2b2-L283 was found in the West Balkans, radiocarbon dated at ~3600 ybp. Yet, he is suggesting it came only in the last 1400 years with the Bulgars and such. Not...
  15. Thanks for the update. I see YSEQ doesn't test...

    Thanks for the update. I see YSEQ doesn't test for Z38240. So you could theoretically be J-Z38240* (PH1602- CTS6190-): https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15058/. Either way, you do belong to the same...
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    Hi and congrats on your result. As already...

    Hi and congrats on your result. As already mentioned, J-L283 is ~5400 year old mutation, and it has many subsequent younger subclades. Unfortunately, 23andMe doesn't test for its subclades, except...
  17. Great! I suppose you're testing the J2b-M12 Panel...

    Great! I suppose you're testing the J2b-M12 Panel at YSEQ. As it stands, you might also end up under J-Y146400. If not, you will be in the J-Y15058 branch aka J-CTS3617, the same as I4331 MBA...
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    Your closest STR match is someone with a Spanish...

    Your closest STR match is someone with a Spanish sounding surname. Forget about fantasizing of Phoenicians, Carthagenians, etc. There is practically zero L283 in those regions. The only L283 cluster...
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    @Wanderer, quite honestly, I'm not even sure...

    @Wanderer, quite honestly, I'm not even sure where to begin to clean up your walls of nonsense, but I will single out a few...



    How hard is it for you to understand that J-Z597 is the ancestor...
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    Yes, in order to make a good argument that these...

    Yes, in order to make a good argument that these Lebanese are of Phoenician origin, the TMRCA amongst themselves should be 3000+ ybp and not only 1900 ypb. Instead, they share that TMRCA with a south...
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    Are you now just straight up lying, or are you...

    Are you now just straight up lying, or are you still having trouble interpreting the YFull tree?
    Look, they split from the Albanian sample 1000 BC (3000 ypb), and not 0 AD:...
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    And what Y-DNA had these 'other' samples around...

    And what Y-DNA had these 'other' samples around him from the same time period? That's right, he was the only one with a Y-DNA haplogroup. Stop spamming this thread with made up stuff!




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    Yes, of course, the Croatian J-L283 kid from 3600...

    Yes, of course, the Croatian J-L283 kid from 3600 ybp was just some isolated Wanderer who came from the Levant or West Asia right at the time he was found. You have it all figured out :laughing:
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    I was trying to help you interpret the YFull...

    I was trying to help you interpret the YFull tree. Instead, it appears you're going back to writing long walls containing imaginary things.

    Do you even see a single North African anywhere within...
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    The TMRCA of J-YP29 is not very precise because...

    The TMRCA of J-YP29 is not very precise because the Sardinian samples are low coverage. I would guess it's at least 3000 ybp. The same situation with J-Z600>YP157. However, we know that J-YP157...
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