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    Several on 23 and Me but i just discovered that...

    Several on 23 and Me but i just discovered that he/his family were Arvanites.
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    One very obvious reason for that is that there...

    One very obvious reason for that is that there are significant parts of the Peloponnese (like Mani and the Eastern Taygetus Tsakonians) that remain exceptionally isolated. Those areas plot further...
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    I know. Only one (male) first cousin who carries...

    I know. Only one (male) first cousin who carries the male haplogroup from that Arvanite line. I'm trying to reach and have him tested.
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    As I posted on Anthrogenica earlier today I...

    As I posted on Anthrogenica earlier today I discovered (just yesterday) that my maternal grandfather was an Arvanite. I had suspected this for the past few years. My suspicion was linked partly to a...
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    I believe East Med is a proxy for the Eastern...

    I believe East Med is a proxy for the Eastern Aegean, possibly Dodecanese and/or Cyprus. It seems vague to me.
  6. East Med is not levantine it's a proxy for East...

    East Med is not levantine it's a proxy for East Aegean and/or Cypriot
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    My maternal grandfather came from a village in...

    My maternal grandfather came from a village in Messinia (Aetos, Tryfilia) and I'm getting (I believe) Albanian matches through him.
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    A lot of folks want to claim some sort of...

    A lot of folks want to claim some sort of affinity with the Ancient Greeks but I do think genetically Southern Italians and Eastern Aegean Greek Islanders are the closest. I'm a mainland Greek with...
  9. Those are the most predominant haplogroups....

    Those are the most predominant haplogroups. What's your impression of G2A mainland Greeks? My haplogroup is G2A and may have Italian origins but I'm thinking that based on the history of my paternal...
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    My experience in the US being around a few...

    My experience in the US being around a few Cretans was that they viewed themselves distinct from mainlanders historically, culturally, etc. As a mainland Greek I was always aware and respectful of...
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    Never said that Neolithics in Greece had light...

    Never said that Neolithics in Greece had light hair, light eyes I realize the consensus is that they were dark haired/dark eyed but do we really know what they looked like? it's all based on...
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    Im G2A paternally. My G2A line has been in Greece...

    Im G2A paternally. My G2A line has been in Greece prior to Byzantines (I've traced my family history in the Peloponnese) and we're in an isolated mountainous region of mainland Greece. G2A is linked...
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    First of all I'm not a big fan of phenotypic...

    First of all I'm not a big fan of phenotypic analysis because it's so subjective and can be absurd at times but physiognomy within the Greek population varies drastically. "Greek" is and has always...
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    The only Greek populations close to Middle...

    The only Greek populations close to Middle Easterners are those in Anatolia and Caucasus regions. It's Greek as a cultural identity although there is evidence that those same populations have shared...
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    My maternal grandmother was Tsakonian from a...

    My maternal grandmother was Tsakonian from a village near Leonidion in the Parnon Mountains (Paleohori).
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    My grandmother was Tsakonian

    My grandmother was Tsakonian
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    Yeah it's fun and everything but their modern pop...

    Yeah it's fun and everything but their modern pop averages are inaccurate (at least in my case) and haven't been updated recently. There's no real genetic/historical explanation of specific ancient...
  18. I really question the authenticity of the...

    I really question the authenticity of the Mytrueancestry site. I'm not sure I'd make much of these results.
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    7.36650528I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete...

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    I've also wondered what was Greece like before...

    I've also wondered what was Greece like before the Neolithic Expansion? Where's the data on this. Was no one living in what is now called Greece prior to the arrival of ENF?
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    Yes from all accounts and results I’ve seen...

    Yes from all accounts and results I’ve seen that’s true. Deep Mani was essentially impenetrable to post 6th C Slav incursion and the Slavs (Melengi) were situated in the more accessible regions of...
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    8.10124682I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete...

    8.10124682I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
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  23. SI 53 does seem to have high West Asian and low...

    SI 53 does seem to have high West Asian and low Red Sea so if we're ruling out a Southern Italian or Greek then could we be looking at someone of mixed Euro/Caucasus heritage rather than Lebanese.
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    Wow guess that map confirms the Albanian...

    Wow guess that map confirms the Albanian connection.My maternal grandfather was from Aetos Messinia and his father was the mayor in the late 1800’s. No family member ever mentioned this to me.
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    I agree. I believe a portion of the Arvanite or...

    I agree. I believe a portion of the Arvanite or Greek Albanian population fully assimilated and really never considered themselves distinct. I do believe based on recent 23 and Me results as well as...
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