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  1. Did you mean Abruzzo, right?

    Did you mean Abruzzo, right?
  2. Thank you. These are the locations where...

    Thank you.

    These are the locations where these samples came from. That is, two at the most peripheral end of Tuscany, and one from the north of Lazio, when today 2/3 of the Tuscan population...
  3. It is clearly wrong and does not even fit the...

    It is clearly wrong and does not even fit the narrative of this study. It mirrors the miscalculations of Sarno who attributed 15% of Iran_N to northern Italy, Sardinians, and then double that to...
  4. It would not even be strange, Campania is first...

    It would not even be strange, Campania is first of all Italic than Greek. But a romantic reading has always preferred to describe it as only Greek.
  5. Interesting observations. Where are the six...

    Interesting observations. Where are the six imperial central Italians from? Chiusi?
  6. I do not understand what you mean but this is the...

    I do not understand what you mean but this is the Etruscan chronology supported by the most important Etruscologists.

    https://i.imgur.com/BEQjZF4.png
  7. History of Italy is a bit longer and more...

    History of Italy is a bit longer and more complicated than the history of the Greeks in Italy. The Greeks arrived on the Adriatic side as far as northern Italy (Adria) and central Italy (Ancona), and...
  8. Abruzzo has been part of Kingdom of Naples for...

    Abruzzo has been part of Kingdom of Naples for many centuries, it is obvious that it has become part of the southern Italian cluster. A Middle Eastern influence was certainly there in Greece and the...
  9. Since there is a cline in Italy, you can apply...

    Since there is a cline in Italy, you can apply that model to all Italians following the cline. Increase Near Eastern and decrease Northern European the further south you go, and do the opposite when...
  10. It is a completely wrong reading and it is...

    It is a completely wrong reading and it is completely inappropriate to talk about an homogenous ethnicity. But I totally understand why you're doing it.
  11. They will follow narratives. In the end, only the...

    They will follow narratives. In the end, only the ancient DNA samples will make the real difference. But for everything that has happened in the last 2000 years you need a lot of samples, much more...
  12. Agreed. 20% northern European rather than...

    Agreed.

    20% northern European rather than Germanic (you know, even Swiss Germans or south Tyroleans are Germanic but they are not northern European). ^

    I explained why this paper proposes this...
  13. I agree with your entire post, Jovialis. ...

    I agree with your entire post, Jovialis.




    Because he is following the typical narrative of this group of geneticists (which is based on Barbujani's studies) to discredit the work (which...
  14. Siena/Grosseto is probably the sample of 86...

    Siena/Grosseto is probably the sample of 86 individuals from Murlo which is south of Siena. There was also the Garfagnana study that found 76% were R1b.

    At this point it is clear that R1b in...
  15. I don't know, but there is a lack of samples,...

    I don't know, but there is a lack of samples, even this study that is coming out can't be conclusive.
  16. Geneticists generally follow narratives and tend...

    Geneticists generally follow narratives and tend to defend the work of colleagues with whom they collaborate, even when the conclusions are wrong or not entirely correct. For years two distinct...
  17. Do you understand that Posth's explanation is...

    Do you understand that Posth's explanation is very weak, or not? It is only statistics, the same statistics used for years to make us to believe that Etruscans were not autochthonous and come from...
  18. They are saying that originally are more similar...

    They are saying that originally are more similar to Central Italian IA groups.

    All samples are from Campania, including the Villanovan/Etruscans.

    https://i.imgur.com/zvfz03q.jpg
  19. You're doing it all wrong. Because you're too...

    You're doing it all wrong. Because you're too obsessed with what the outcome might be for Southern Italy.

    The paper on Campania is coming out, and it concludes that the Campanian/Italics were like...
  20. This is the latest July 2021 chart from a...

    This is the latest July 2021 chart from a non-academic Italian project.

    https://i.imgur.com/ho1om0f.png
  21. It remains unclear to me what those samples have...

    It remains unclear to me what those samples have to do with the Etruscans.
  22. It is really not understandable why they ended up...

    It is really not understandable why they ended up in this study. It's not even an area where there were Etruscans.
  23. By contrast, the newly reported central Italian...

    By contrast, the newly reported central Italian individuals from 800 to 1 BCE show ~75% frequency of the Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b, mostly represented by the R1b-P312 polymorphism and its derived...
  24. No, I don't know, sorry. I think publication...

    No, I don't know, sorry. I think publication should be forthcoming.
  25. Still unclear, it doesn't even seem to match the...

    Still unclear, it doesn't even seem to match the samples from the Campania study.





    Indeed. Considering the changes due to Romanization though. I hope that very soon there will be Etruscan...
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