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    do you think this will bring peace?...

    do you think this will bring peace?
    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/01/map.jpg

    there has to be a step back from the side of Israel or else there will be no peace.

    as for your...
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    with that kind of argumentation you could...

    with that kind of argumentation you could justifiy pretty much everything. there are also obvious differences between the conquests of the Saud family and the foundation of Israel.

    if you argue...
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    white isn't really "european appearance". it's...

    white isn't really "european appearance". it's still mostly split in either "northern european like appearance" or non-black, non-asian appearance for a lot of people at least in europe. for example...
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    are they anti-semitic or against Israel? i...

    are they anti-semitic or against Israel? i consider myself center-left too, you would probably call me leftist, and i am extremely against the current politics of israel. the foundation of that...
  5. is that so? where i live the politics are...

    is that so? where i live the politics are constantly trying to create new reasons to have kids and media is rather supporting that. it's just that having kids takes a lot of time money and energy,...
  6. and what makes you so sure that it wasn't the...

    and what makes you so sure that it wasn't the exact same thing with everyone else they allied with or wanted as allies in beginning, middle and end of war? their need for allies was big from the...
  7. would be kinda useless to try to understand it....

    would be kinda useless to try to understand it. not only because it is obviously nonsense but also because it constantly changed and was more of a political tool. in the end i think all...
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    there is a problem with the south italian sample...

    there is a problem with the south italian sample i think because it has high values with everything.
    the rest seems reasonable for me. jewish populatins might be drifted away so they get higher...
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    forgot to add some Fst-values again ...

    forgot to add some Fst-values again

    Greek/Turkish:0.003
    Greek/Armenian:0.004
    Greek/German:0.004
    Greek/Lebanese_Muslim:0.004
    Greek/Polish:0.005
    Greek/Iranian:0.006
    Greek/Norwegian:0.007...
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    that statement has nothing to do with what i...

    that statement has nothing to do with what i said. Anatolia_N/CHG are not "old europeans". old europeans aka european farmers were also not all the same.



    here are some FST values....
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    it is really hard to have a discussion with...

    it is really hard to have a discussion with someone who doesn't even listen to what i am saying. once again i never said that southern europeans are near eastern.
    i said that DISCONNECTING is the...
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    true. still, they originated there and as a...

    true. still, they originated there and as a result the people who live there now still have an affinity for those ancient populations. far more, than other ancient westeurasian populations had with...
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    even if it is more prevalent in southern europe...

    even if it is more prevalent in southern europe than in turkey now, what's the difference? didn't you agree that it is ultimately a near eastern genetic group?



    well, i never said it is...
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    can you explain what argument of mine you are...

    can you explain what argument of mine you are referring to? again, i never made this exclusively about southern europeans so what is your point?
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    i think noone really cares if someone is european...

    i think noone really cares if someone is european or not, not even the nordicists. they care about the "northern european" phenotype or whatever. they hate near east because it simply doesn't fit in...
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    yes. modern middle easterners are not anatolian...

    yes. modern middle easterners are not anatolian neolithic but you CAN NOT simply disconnect those 2 from each other to calm down for example nordicists who do not like modern near eastern people. it...
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    all i have been saying is, that the people...

    all i have been saying is, that the people Stuvane mentioned are probably people who place too many feelings in population genetics and that explaining them how anatolian neolithic is disconnected...
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    can't see where i made this about southern...

    can't see where i made this about southern europeans. and the matter of discussion was already about middle east. i tried to generalize it in one of my last posts.



    thank you. leaving aside...
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    i'm not sure, why are you writing this as if it...

    i'm not sure, why are you writing this as if it was an argument against me? since when is this a bad thing to do here? you even write yourself
    "someone who hates having Anatolian Neolithic ancestry...
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    if someone says " i don't like anatolian...

    if someone says " i don't like anatolian neolithic ancestry because i don't like modern people from anatolia and near east" and then you reply "don't worry those ancient ones were not the same as...
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    i don't have to blur the line since it is already...

    i don't have to blur the line since it is already blured. i don't see why anything i said here is far left agenda. do you think it is good to tell people, who do not like to have anatolian neolithic...
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    what kind of people do you think those people are...

    what kind of people do you think those people are who would not like an anatolian origin or CHG because it would be an association with modern people from anatolia or near east in general? is it...
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    can you explain the marked part to me? agree with...

    can you explain the marked part to me? agree with everything but that part i didn't really understand.
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    and my point was that the numbers from Dodecad...

    and my point was that the numbers from Dodecad can make sense and that the simple fact that jewish people have a different autosomal composition doesn't negate this, because every modern population...
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    A: that isn't needed for similarity B: as you...

    A: that isn't needed for similarity

    B: as you can see from the distances they are all far away.

    C: that is a point. the paper of this thread has a graphic with fst distances for Minoan...
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