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  1. what makes you think i'm triggered because ot...

    what makes you think i'm triggered because ot this? i never argued against the differences between humans. but your argument with archaic admixture is not really proving anything. am i a different...
  2. According to Angelas study they coumd not find...

    According to Angelas study they coumd not find further subclusters for the caucasians cluster.
    Perhaps they would not even have found real clusters at all if they had more samples. for example "east...
  3. i said europeans exist as a geographical group,...

    i said europeans exist as a geographical group, but not as a closed genetical group because of the example of genetical distances that i gave you. this is not hate speech.
    when i say that french...
  4. that means the differences between europeans and...

    that means the differences between europeans and non-european westeurasians are irrelevant too. and yet you have people who want to seperate the two into different subgroups. it is again showcasing...
  5. @Jovialis am i able to post comparisions of intra...

    @Jovialis am i able to post comparisions of intra european genetic distances with european/non-european distances without you giving me infractions for hate speech against europeans again?

    why is...
  6. why is the comparision of genetic distances...

    why is the comparision of genetic distances between european populations to genetic distances between european and non european populations "hate speech against Europeans"?
  7. there is a subgroup if you want, but it's...

    there is a subgroup if you want, but it's geographic. just based on FST there is no genetic basis to create a "subgroup" called europeans.
  8. i think Jovialis doesn't recognize a european...

    i think Jovialis doesn't recognize a european race, but rather a geographically defined subset of westeurasians. simply based on FST europeans do not form a closed genetical group.
  9. the fact that he believes beeing "100% european"...

    the fact that he believes beeing "100% european" would have any relevance and that someone like this can't look foreign in the netherlands makes it clear that he is a very special kind of troll. he...
  10. based on geography. which is arbitrary or...

    based on geography.



    which is arbitrary or also based on geography.
  11. let's assume we accept the concept of a...

    let's assume we accept the concept of a westeurasian race, how would you still be able to subdivide it? your subgroupings into europeans or north euroepans are arbitrary or just geographical, exactly...
  12. why not leave it at Westeurasians? or are you...

    why not leave it at Westeurasians? or are you grouping those subgroups geographically? else we could have the same argument about those subgroups, whether they exist or not. with your relativistic...
  13. lol what? and you call me a troll?

    lol what? and you call me a troll?
  14. i mean, if Northerner asks if those populations...

    i mean, if Northerner asks if those populations plotting on the same spot in a pca means that they are a race, then according to your argumentation they are. you don't need to compare to San, what...
  15. why? he asked whether or not danes and...

    why? he asked whether or not danes and anglo-saxons represent a race, himself included. why aren't they?



    don't forget, small differences may have big implications in Jovialis own words.
  16. i pointed out that once someone starts with...

    i pointed out that once someone starts with racial differentiation and you ask what biological pehnotypic reality he/she tries to describe with those race groups, there will be no good answer. either...
  17. thanks for explaining it a bit better to...

    thanks for explaining it a bit better to Jovialis.



    perhaps that is the case. it's still a step away from creating racial groupings. and all i did was ask, if someone wanted to create racial...
  18. don't know? you? i asked for specific differences...

    don't know? you? i asked for specific differences in phenotype between racial groups. if they are based on phenotypic variation or have an association with it there has to be something like this. you...
  19. if categorization into different racial groups...

    if categorization into different racial groups wouldn't be based on those phenotypic variations, or if they didn't have an association with certain phenotypic variations, why would you even bother...
  20. phenotype in biology doesn't only include...

    phenotype in biology doesn't only include physical appearance.
  21. so you would, even if there wasn't a single snp...

    so you would, even if there wasn't a single snp in a coding gene region, still group people into different racial groups based on the non-coding snp's?
  22. sure, but most of those snp's aren't relevant for...

    sure, but most of those snp's aren't relevant for phenotypic variation. it has already been mentioned several times how humans can be categorized into races based on differences in appearance but...
  23. in theory yes. but why is it that as soon as you...

    in theory yes. but why is it that as soon as you ask for the specifics, for example what those different marks are that characterize different races, you'll get deafening silence?
  24. Thread: "WOKE" America

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    Sry, i thought your quote about systematic...

    Sry, i thought your quote about systematic castration of african males was based on quotes of Ibn Haldoun. The quote about them beeing lesser humans is indeed from Ibn Haldoun, i didn't try to...
  25. Thread: "WOKE" America

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    i think your quote is not from a medieval arab...

    i think your quote is not from a medieval arab scholar but perhaps from Gustav Nachtigal? it seems that he is also quoted in your source and it would fit since he traveled through Chad in the 19th...
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