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  1. Since there is a cline in Italy, you can apply...

    Since there is a cline in Italy, you can apply that model to all Italians following the cline. Increase Near Eastern and decrease Northern European the further south you go, and do the opposite when...
  2. It is a completely wrong reading and it is...

    It is a completely wrong reading and it is completely inappropriate to talk about an homogenous ethnicity. But I totally understand why you're doing it.
  3. They will follow narratives. In the end, only the...

    They will follow narratives. In the end, only the ancient DNA samples will make the real difference. But for everything that has happened in the last 2000 years you need a lot of samples, much more...
  4. Agreed. 20% northern European rather than...

    Agreed.

    20% northern European rather than Germanic (you know, even Swiss Germans or south Tyroleans are Germanic but they are not northern European). ^

    I explained why this paper proposes this...
  5. I agree with your entire post, Jovialis. ...

    I agree with your entire post, Jovialis.




    Because he is following the typical narrative of this group of geneticists (which is based on Barbujani's studies) to discredit the work (which...
  6. Siena/Grosseto is probably the sample of 86...

    Siena/Grosseto is probably the sample of 86 individuals from Murlo which is south of Siena. There was also the Garfagnana study that found 76% were R1b.

    At this point it is clear that R1b in...
  7. I don't know, but there is a lack of samples,...

    I don't know, but there is a lack of samples, even this study that is coming out can't be conclusive.
  8. Geneticists generally follow narratives and tend...

    Geneticists generally follow narratives and tend to defend the work of colleagues with whom they collaborate, even when the conclusions are wrong or not entirely correct. For years two distinct...
  9. Do you understand that Posth's explanation is...

    Do you understand that Posth's explanation is very weak, or not? It is only statistics, the same statistics used for years to make us to believe that Etruscans were not autochthonous and come from...
  10. They are saying that originally are more similar...

    They are saying that originally are more similar to Central Italian IA groups.

    All samples are from Campania, including the Villanovan/Etruscans.

    https://i.imgur.com/zvfz03q.jpg
  11. You're doing it all wrong. Because you're too...

    You're doing it all wrong. Because you're too obsessed with what the outcome might be for Southern Italy.

    The paper on Campania is coming out, and it concludes that the Campanian/Italics were like...
  12. This is the latest July 2021 chart from a...

    This is the latest July 2021 chart from a non-academic Italian project.

    https://i.imgur.com/ho1om0f.png
  13. It remains unclear to me what those samples have...

    It remains unclear to me what those samples have to do with the Etruscans.
  14. It is really not understandable why they ended up...

    It is really not understandable why they ended up in this study. It's not even an area where there were Etruscans.
  15. By contrast, the newly reported central Italian...

    By contrast, the newly reported central Italian individuals from 800 to 1 BCE show ~75% frequency of the Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b, mostly represented by the R1b-P312 polymorphism and its derived...
  16. No, I don't know, sorry. I think publication...

    No, I don't know, sorry. I think publication should be forthcoming.
  17. Still unclear, it doesn't even seem to match the...

    Still unclear, it doesn't even seem to match the samples from the Campania study.





    Indeed. Considering the changes due to Romanization though. I hope that very soon there will be Etruscan...
  18. From a conference, not published yet. In...

    From a conference, not published yet.



    In fact, they have few samples from the imperial age. There are many more from the Iron Age.

    The important part of the paper remains the one on the...
  19. apparently the Etruscans were overwhelming R1b,...

    apparently the Etruscans were overwhelming R1b, and to a lesser extent G2a

    https://i.imgur.com/caHjbMt.png
  20. Higher percentages of WHG and EEF, confirming...

    Higher percentages of WHG and EEF, confirming that the Eastern thesis is not true.
  21. PCA is from a conference, so yes official. The...

    PCA is from a conference, so yes official. The paper not out yet.
  22. VOL, CAM, UDC, CSN, MAG, MAS, ETR, PRZ, VET,...

    VOL, CAM, UDC, CSN, MAG, MAS, ETR, PRZ, VET, VEU, POP are all from Tuscany.

    TAQ = Tarquinia from Lazio.

    VEN is not from Etruria, likely from Campania.

    Outliers seem few. The Etruscans...
  23. Ancient genomics reveals tripartite origins of Japanese populations

    Ancient genomics reveals tripartite origins of Japanese populations

    SCIENCE ADVANCES• 17 Sep 2021 • Vol 7, Issue 38 •

    DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abh2419


    Abstract

    Prehistoric Japan underwent...
  24. TSI is a subset used by Metspalu of TSI, from...

    TSI is a subset used by Metspalu of TSI, from unknown locality in the province of Florence, Tuscan is Tuscan HGDP, according to CEPH it's from the province of Grosseto (Colline Metallifere).



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    Très intéressant, Moesan. I will read it well as...

    Très intéressant, Moesan. I will read it well as soon as I can.
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