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    The only common component in the autosomal DNA of...

    The only common component in the autosomal DNA of Iranian-speaking populations is
    European - principally North East European. If the apparently North East European originators of the Iranian...
  2. Cyrus - I do not know enough about linguistics to...

    Cyrus - I do not know enough about linguistics to contribute usefully, and think it unlikely that Iran-Armenia was the original land of the Indo-Europeans, although IE-speakers were likely to have...
  3. I think you are sometimes a little too quick to...

    I think you are sometimes a little too quick to write things off. As Wikipedia states, "Greco-Roman geographers of the 1st century AD are unanimous and specific that the Bastarnae were Germanic in...
  4. Further analysis has given Slavs as the closest...

    Further analysis has given Slavs as the closest fit I could find for a population that admixed into Iranians during the first millennium BC, although I could not get it very close. From the...
  5. The core readings of Eastern Yamnaya and...

    The core readings of Eastern Yamnaya and Afanasievo look pretty similar to me, with (as you might expect) Afanasievo more Northern and Eastern-looking, and slightly less affected by Caucasian and...
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    Yes, I estimate Polish Corded Ware as a major...

    Yes, I estimate Polish Corded Ware as a major contributor to Iron Age West Balkanic, and Iron Age West Balkanic (rather than prior West Balkanic) as a significant contributor to Slavic.

    My guess...
  7. Could this be relevant?...

    Could this be relevant? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastarnae#Germanic - an link between Germanic and Iranic peoples in Ukraine & Eastern Carpathians. In particular, described by Greco-Romans as...
  8. Yes, due East (Caspian Steppe) and further South,...

    Yes, due East (Caspian Steppe) and further South, from looking at the DNA.
  9. The key to testing if there is a genetic basis to...

    The key to testing if there is a genetic basis to support Cyrus' Germanics theory is probably to identify the more recent components admixed into Iranians. To me these look a confusing patchwork of...
  10. Yes, Yamnayans migrated into the Pontic Steppe...

    Yes, Yamnayans migrated into the Pontic Steppe from the East. And non-Yamnayan Pontic Steppe samples show a resurgence in WHG as Globular Amphora moved in from the West.
  11. To get back to the point, there appears to have...

    To get back to the point, there appears to have been very little migration from the Pontic Steppe in 3,000 BC, whether male or female, otherwise we Europeans would be heavily WHG today. It looks...
  12. The main element of the incursive DNA in...

    The main element of the incursive DNA in Mycenaean Greeks appears to derive from a relatively early wave of Steppe Armenians (LMBA) autosomally associated with predominantly R1b-Z2103 populations and...
  13. That's what the results of my data analysis...

    That's what the results of my data analysis indicate.


    I don't know, I'm afraid.


    Early - mixed local. Middle - affected by admixture from several different Northern and North Western...
  14. Sorry, it takes a while to run the data....

    Sorry, it takes a while to run the data.
    Autosomally, modern Georgians come out as a remarkably similar mixture (of preceding local populations) to Iron Age Iran. Whatever affected Iran genetically...
  15. Yamnayans are a red herring as far as Bell Beaker...

    Yamnayans are a red herring as far as Bell Beaker people are concerned - Bell Beaker and R1b-L51 clearly look Balkanic.
    A possible route for IE that fits the autosomal evidence is Southern Steppe...
  16. It makes perfect sense. There is no proof of...

    It makes perfect sense. There is no proof of which languages everyone spoke in every location thousands of years ago. There is no record of Yamnayans speaking IE, but it doesn't stop you asserting...
  17. It's not my theory. I'm just saying it's a...

    It's not my theory. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Until there is clear evidence, it's better if minds remain open.
    We know Celts went to Anatolia and returned, and that Vikings/Normans went to...
  18. Broadly-speaking, my calculations indicate that...

    Broadly-speaking, my calculations indicate that at the early (5th millennium BC) stage Steppic + Georgian DNA was moving South into Armenia, but only Georgian DNA was moving North into the Steppe. If...
  19. I broadly agree with this measured post with two...

    I broadly agree with this measured post with two provisos -
    1. The most substantial contributors of Germanic DNA as a whole look most likely Corded Ware (mainly steppic autosomally) and Bell Beaker...
  20. It is not surprising, especially Armenian models,...

    It is not surprising, especially Armenian models, as we can see autosomal DNA from the Southern Steppe appearing in Armenian samples at a very early stage (prior to 4,000 BC), and we can also see...
  21. Yes, as with Cyrus' posts, there are grains of...

    Yes, as with Cyrus' posts, there are grains of truth in it, but there is little basis for its confident conclusions, which in my view are essentially misleading.

    For example, L51:
    We cannot...
  22. I've tried matching up the spread of IE languages...

    I've tried matching up the spread of IE languages with development patterns in autosomal DNA, and cannot find clear trails from specifically an Irano-Armenian origin point. In my opinion, it is not...
  23. Could I ask ... I have read several times about...

    Could I ask ... I have read several times about the satemisation of IE, but is it possible that IE was originally satem, and that a branch of it became centumised? Also, which other languages have...
  24. So, in just the same way, there could have been a...

    So, in just the same way, there could have been a small Germanic population in Iran that was not large enough to leave a significant impact on the genetics of Iran populations.


    That they were...
  25. It is possible that groups can be endogamous,...

    It is possible that groups can be endogamous, particularly if they only stay for a short period. Don't we know the Celts were in Asia Minor for a time? But we see little evidence of this in either...
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