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    Excellent discussion, gentlemen, thank-you.

    Excellent discussion, gentlemen, thank-you.
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    I am not going to allow you to destroy this...

    I am not going to allow you to destroy this thread the way you have every thread about the Greeks. You've made your point.

    If any of you keep repeating the same thing over and over again it will...
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    Am I getting this right? 435-Prenestini Tribe...

    Am I getting this right?

    435-Prenestini Tribe plots with the Southern French


    One in Spain, four near it but veering toward Sardinia, so even more Anatolian Neolithic?

    851-Ardea Latini...
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    I've had just about enough of this nonsense. NO...

    I've had just about enough of this nonsense. NO MODERN NATIONALITY OWNS A HAPLOGROUP!

    PERIOD

    Steppe people moved into Hungary, the Carpathians, the Balkans, Italy etc. They picked up ancestry...
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    Something that struck me but we haven't yet...

    Something that struck me but we haven't yet discussed is the fact that the modeling for the Iron Age samples takes not Bell Beaker but Yamnaya.

    Now, why would that be?

    Was it a group that...
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    Salve, my friend. You're absolutely right....

    Salve, my friend.

    You're absolutely right. Would that all people in this hobby had your sensibility. :)

    I should have perhaps made clear that our "feud" is one of my husband's ways of teasing...
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    @Salento, They're hung up on this, I take it?...

    @Salento,

    They're hung up on this, I take it?
    https://i.imgur.com/vhdmetx.png
    https://i.imgur.com/GW5fwI5.png

    What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories...
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    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for...

    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for them?:useless:

    He's a member of a Latin tribe. Some of them were a bit more Southern already.

    Big Whoops.

    The facts are what they are people; sane...
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    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list:...

    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number. :(


    57. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.63 - R850 - (Click for more info)
    Top 94% match vs all users +...
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    This is completely illogical. The only...

    This is completely illogical.

    The only evidence that MATTERS about an ancient group's genetics is the genetic evidence from THAT GROUP. In this case it's the genomes of the actual ETRUSCANS. We...
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    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino...

    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino D'Accampo, accomplished and sexy chef from Napoli who is a BIG hit in Britain, especially with the ladies. :)
    ...
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    O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money...

    O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money back. :)

    My husband gets this:
    3. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info)
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    And I get...
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    Now, would there have been a problem with Italics...

    Now, would there have been a problem with Italics admixing with Greeks? I highly doubt it. They had too many things in common and the Romans admired them too much. Plus, it might have been going on...
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    No one with an IQ over 80. First of all, you have...

    No one with an IQ over 80. First of all, you have to define what you mean by the Fertile Crescent.

    Here it is:
    https://bioblogyscience.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/9220557_orig.jpg

    Now, anyone...
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    Like I said, if people knew anything about...

    Like I said, if people knew anything about Northern Italian history, maybe they would have figured out he was just one of those Northern Italians with more Gallic ancestry. Still, by his estimation,...
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    Ailchu, I don't want to take the thread off-topic...

    Ailchu, I don't want to take the thread off-topic again, so I'll be brief. Yes, there is a distressing gap in the data in this paper of virtually the entire Bronze Age, but we know there were...
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    If I bought the complete validity of anything...

    If I bought the complete validity of anything based on Eurogenes work, I might say he was a partial or complete descendant of Gallic tribesmen who came into Northern Italy and then moved to Rome for...
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    It wasn't a Near Eastern Tail, it was called a...

    It wasn't a Near Eastern Tail, it was called a "Levant Tail". I will be surprised if there was a lot of it in Southern Italy during the first Millennium BC, although there may have been some. What...
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    It's because he wants that to be out in the...

    It's because he wants that to be out in the public domain, as it aids in his Storm Front like endeavor to trash Italians, and make them look as untermenschen as he possibly can, and any additional...
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    Blevins, you know all this, surely? Where did...

    Blevins, you know all this, surely? Where did agriculture originate? How about metallurgy? It was in the Near East and some of it was developed by EEF like people in the Balkans. How about irrigation...
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    Is this the Italian Nordicist perspective? I...

    Is this the Italian Nordicist perspective?

    I haven't looked at each of those samples individually yet, but the majority of the Iron Age/Republican Rome Era samples are at least one third...
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    I have news for Simon W... Republican Era...

    I have news for Simon W...

    Republican Era Romans were a mix of Spanish and Greek? Seriously? That would be MODERN northern Spanish and MODERN mainland Greek the paper was showing. We have to look...
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    The garbage that some people are posting is...

    The garbage that some people are posting is literally insane. Somebody could look at these results and say Etruscans came to Italy from AFRICA???? And Polako leaves posts like that there but deletes...
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    This is where you are going wrong. The "Cyprus"...

    This is where you are going wrong. The "Cyprus" part is an AVERAGE. Plus, they're using modern Cypriots.

    Even they themselves state that it's an average, and it doesn't mean that there was this...
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    I don't think they're necessarily biased. That...

    I don't think they're necessarily biased. That will and is coming from the amateur community. :) I just don't think they thought things through, and they have a high schoolers understanding of Roman...
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