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  1. Sticky: Thanks. It helps me make sense of my own results....

    Thanks. It helps me make sense of my own results. My closest Latin and "Etruscan" samples are R1016, R1015,and R474. Closest of all though are R1 and Illyrian Bronze, which is a whole other story. :)
  2. Sticky: I'm out of juice but it's an excellent post. I...

    I'm out of juice but it's an excellent post. I guess I forgot my own warning that how you label a sample, into which group you put it, and using averages can give different results.
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    I don't have the faintest clue what you're asking...

    I don't have the faintest clue what you're asking and how it relates to the discussion.
  4. Sticky: I don't really believe these things, but this...

    I don't really believe these things, but this would make my father proud. :) He was completely convinced we were 100% Latins, so a little off, but still...

    https://i.imgur.com/yHauyDR.png
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    Goodness! It couldn't be more obvious. It's right...

    Goodness! It couldn't be more obvious. It's right in the summary. How could I forget? :)

    "We sequenced six Early to Middle BA whole genomes, along with 11 mitochondrial genomes, sampled from the...
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    I'll have to look it up again, but didn't they...

    I'll have to look it up again, but didn't they say in the paper on the palatial civilizations of Greece that the people of Crete and of mainland Greece and the islands were basically the same people...
  7. Sticky: Thanks so much, Duarte; you're always a gentleman...

    Thanks so much, Duarte; you're always a gentleman to me, like Jovialis. :)

    I'll run them.
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    I'm sure the following needs to be updated. I...

    I'm sure the following needs to be updated. I also don't know how you would distinguish R1a Z93 from the "Eastern European" variety.

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
  9. Thanks to Jovialis for the coordinates: ...

    Thanks to Jovialis for the coordinates:


    Distance to:

    Angela



    11.71627074
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    Genetic similarity and even descent are OBVIOUSLY...

    Genetic similarity and even descent are OBVIOUSLY different from culture and language, which can change with one invasion.

    Mycenaeans were Minoan like (Anatolia Neolithic plus some Anatolian...
  11. Sticky: Very interesting. The PCA presents a quite...

    Very interesting.

    The PCA presents a quite different way of looking at them.

    Latins are much closer to Cucuteni (and Middle Late Bronze Age Latins plot almost right on top of them) than they...
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    Don't you remember that HUGE migration from...

    Don't you remember that HUGE migration from Cyprus to Greece??? Were you sleeping during history class???:grin:

    You know what the answer always is, right? It was all those TURKISH AND LEVANTINE...
  13. I'm not sure. All of the Iron Age samples are...

    I'm not sure. All of the Iron Age samples are from Central Italy. It's possible that Iron Age samples from much further north will turn out to have more pale people.

    It's odd, isn't it, that there...
  14. Or it was incorporated somewhere like Cucuteni or...

    Or it was incorporated somewhere like Cucuteni or Globular Amphora or near modern day Moldova. We'll have to wait and see.

    Yes, that's an odd y Dna to show up, but the odd European will show up...
  15. The Iron Gates HGs still formed a significant...

    The Iron Gates HGs still formed a significant percentage of their ancestry.

    Interesting that I2a1 was already there; came to the area way before the Slavs, apparently, yes?

    More steppe than in...
  16. I think the Polada culture might be a good...

    I think the Polada culture might be a good candidate for the new arrivals from north of the Alps. (approximately 2200 to 1500 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polada_culture

    A bit further south in...
  17. Yes, it's all very intriguing. We don't have a...

    Yes, it's all very intriguing.

    We don't have a lot of samples, though, and none from the western, Mediterranean side, so maybe more light haired and light eyed people will turn up then.

    This...
  18. I found their statement about it at the very end...

    I found their statement about it at the very end of the paper and assumed it would lead to usable data. Sorry.

    Perhaps if you e-mailed them?

    Here I am asking you to do something else. :)
  19. @Jovialis, The raw data for these samples is...

    @Jovialis,

    The raw data for these samples is available.
  20. Real Expert, there are 46 samples from Bronze Age...

    Real Expert, there are 46 samples from Bronze Age Italy, including the mainland, Sicily and Sardinia. Of those 46 samples, 4 are blond or dark blonde and blue eyed and they're all from Sardinia. None...
  21. Indeed they were, and sometimes sadly naïve in...

    Indeed they were, and sometimes sadly naïve in their early glorification of the Noble Savages a la Rousseau, although sometimes I think they used those discourses precisely to criticize things in...
  22. I'd love to know where I contradicted that. If...

    I'd love to know where I contradicted that. If you go back and read my post you'll see that I never mentioned BLUE EYES. I talked about pale skin or blond hair.

    Feel free to show me the sample of...
  23. Data Table S6D, tab B is fabulous. You can...

    Data Table S6D, tab B is fabulous. You can compare all the Italian samples both to the Near East and Yamnaya for each and every phenotype allele, from starch digestion, to resistance to diseases as...
  24. Some interesting tidbits. " most of the N,...

    Some interesting tidbits.

    " most of the N, Chalcolithic, and BA Italian samples available from the literature fall within the EN cluster."

    What the authors call "GEORGIA CHG" begins to appear...
  25. You don't get to rest your case with a complete...

    You don't get to rest your case with a complete fabrication. Or maybe you just didn't bother to read it?

    Read carefully now...

    Who arrived at that time, Bicicleur??? Are you freaking kidding...
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