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    We know they have mixed with the northern...

    We know they have mixed with the northern illyrians and other groups that lived there by process of haplogroup elimination. We see that their y dna is over 50% south slavic and this makes sense...
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    Not sure why you are belittling south slavs like...

    Not sure why you are belittling south slavs like that but anyway they were obviously weakened by romans first as were thracians. Also, illyrians were never completely unified - scattered in different...
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    Of course Taulantii were illyrian - whether they...

    Of course Taulantii were illyrian - whether they were one of 4 big "dardani" tribes is impossible to tell, we dont even know for sure if dardani were just another group in the branch of illyrians or...
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    Like I said illyrians kept pushing the already...

    Like I said illyrians kept pushing the already expanded greeks south over time - they were mostly more northern around 700bc labelled as barbarians from the north. You will find greek temples in...
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    Not as fixated as the ancients who met Thracians!...

    Not as fixated as the ancients who met Thracians!

    "Indeed, the ancient Greeks were wary of their Thracian neighbours (the gladiator Spartacus amongst them) and were reluctant to rile them because...
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    What year is this from? Albani tribe doesnt mean...

    What year is this from? Albani tribe doesnt mean anything - its just a small name on the map amongst many others - if you are saying this map means they are below illyrians regionally and unrelated...
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    I thought Homer called them barbaric not speakers...

    I thought Homer called them barbaric not speakers of ancient Greek? Did he mention what happened to them?
    Could just be early g or i2 peeps then.
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    I think "pelasgians" seem like nothing more than...

    I think "pelasgians" seem like nothing more than a storytime myth - almost like some mythical greek stories about zeus etc.

    If they existed they were likely some early people who inhabited the...
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    The map of epirus covers only a small portion of...

    The map of epirus covers only a small portion of albania (the south) - most albanians live outside of that region and plenty in kosovo and macedonia in fact even further north prior to recent events...
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    Native to who?? Thracians were not j2a and...

    Native to who?? Thracians were not j2a and neither were illyrians. J2a had to come from somewhere - the early greeks had plenty j2a and g2 so maybe thracians were heavily influenced by greeks early...
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    Romans often mention illyria not epirus - epirus...

    Romans often mention illyria not epirus - epirus was further south. One of their leaders died in south greece peloponesse. Epirus was mostly greek land/people...
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    Founder effect is nonsense really - founder...

    Founder effect is nonsense really - founder effect is something that happens when there are no other men to compete with - when they have been wiped out. A founder effect of v13 in albania due to...
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    Of course they were exterminated - they lost...

    Of course they were exterminated - they lost their language and they lost their red hair. To me if you compare bulgarian y dna with serbian you would see an almost complete population replacement -...
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    Without access to a bulgarian database we have no...

    Without access to a bulgarian database we have no proof and same case for lack of ancient dna. Like I said the language and the red hair are the most important factors to look at when discussing...
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    It doesnt make sense for v13 to survive more...

    It doesnt make sense for v13 to survive more amongst albanians instead of lets say bulgarians and yet be of thracian origin. The thracians were decimated by romans (and illyrians) - romans placed...
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    I believe south and north albanians ultimately...

    I believe south and north albanians ultimately come from different illyrian (and a few non illyrian) groups - this is why the language not so much but the accent at least is slightly different. It...
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    I would say it belonged to one of the illyrian...

    I would say it belonged to one of the illyrian groups that survived early roman period and expanded - I would say it was mostly around bosnia/montenegro and moved south due to south slavic invasion...
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    Likely V13 came from east and split into...

    Likely V13 came from east and split into illyrians and thracians early on - some moved to west balkans some stayed in east. Some v13 in east europe is actually albanian anyway not thracian. The...
  19. Language and ethnicity used to be tied together...

    Language and ethnicity used to be tied together because big public schools didnt exist nor mass amount of books - its a modern thing. The english were obviously a mix of anglo saxons and roman...
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    I would say its a clear ostrogothic line - found...

    I would say its a clear ostrogothic line - found amongst swedes
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    Impossible to answer especially without ancient...

    Impossible to answer especially without ancient dna though you can rule out i2a-din and some r1a, you can rule out all j2a and j1 - some of these seem to be from greeks or roman period and some...
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    Its always good to give a few hundred years...

    Its always good to give a few hundred years leeway for this kind of thing because

    1. Old written history is not always accurate
    2. It has been carried to the modern age innacurately
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    I've been responding to your post #15. The...

    I've been responding to your post #15.

    The i2a branch that is common in south slavs today has not been found in balkans pre 600 AD
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    Read up on the subclades before talking nonsense ...

    Read up on the subclades before talking nonsense
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#I2a1b
    Zero i2a1b2 in balkans, it is recent 600AD+
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    You only have to look at your ancestors to see...

    You only have to look at your ancestors to see the strong similarities
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