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This is the PhD thesis of Marie Lacan, in French. It was posted at
World Families by Bernard Secher.

I don't read French, so I am depending on others and on...

I think there was a basic Mediterranean-type population inhabiting much of Europe before R1b got there, from the Neolithic villages in the Balkans to those in Iberia, France and even Britain. On...

I mean no offense, but you're too fixated on the "Dinaric phenotype" thing, its name ("Dinaric"), and on connecting it to y haplogroups found frequently among peoples supposedly possessing Dinaric...

Here are my y-dna (surname) line great great grandparents, James Holmes Stevens (1835-1902) and his wife, Olive Augusta Washburn Stevens (1839-1918).

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My great great grandfather would...

I think we could do it again via ImageShack or some other web hosting site.

R1b is not uncommon in the Balkans. It is just less frequent there than it is in western Europe. Unless I am mistaken, the R1b SNP trail leads through the Balkans on its way northwest. That is, there...

Honestly, I don't know about the original entry of R1b into Europe and how that worked. There are so many conflicting opinions and so little evidence that it's nearly impossible to say.

What we do...

Sure those R1bs prove something: that R1b-M269 (xU106) was present among Beaker Folk, at least at the Kromsdorf, Germany, site. If all the other aDNA finds "prove" anything, those two prove at least...

While it is true that two Beaker Folk R1b results are precious little, it is all we have for now. It is worth noting that these are the earliest R1b finds we have and that no R1b has been recovered...

Here is a paper on Bell Beaker wristguards, with some nice photos.

These Beaker Folk videos were pulled from YouTube over copyright issues, so they might not last long here either, but they're pretty cool.

Part 2.

The first person I ever recall making the Beaker Folk/R1b connection was a man named Rick Arnold. That was back in 2008 at the now-defunct dna-forums web site.

But a number of past scholars have...

Apparently there is a problem with radiocarbon dating for the 3rd millennium BC, and especially with the use of charcoal from fires, due to the problem of old wood. Scholars like Marc Vander Linden...

I am not that familiar with Genebase, but they should have your haplotype listed somewhere. That is where you will see values for 437, 448, and H4.

Please consider becoming a Family Tree DNA...

Just go to http://www.ysearch.org/, click on "Create A New User", at the top, and follow the instructions. If you are a Family Tree DNA customer, it's easier. Just go to your Y-DNA Matches page and...

Did you mean L165 instead of M165? L165 and S68 are the same thing.

Do you have 437=14, 448=18, and H4=10? If so, you are in the "R1b North-South Cluster" and very likely L176.2- and Z209+.

Do...

My "pre-fabricated" opinion? Where did I get it, all "pre-fab" and ready-made like that? When I got into genetic genealogy, the idea was that R1b had been in Western Europe since before the LGM and...

You could be right, but thus far the oldest Carbon-14 dated Beaker remains (~2900 BC) are from Zambujal in Portugal. The stuff farther east is younger.

Oh, okay. I just wanted to understand what you meant. I think you and I basically agree.

What is especially "polemic" about what I posted, in contrast, say, with what you have posted on the same subject?

I am not certain what you mean by my opinion on the Iberians, but I suppose you...

I didn't use the word "exclusive" with regard to your previous post. I was obviously responding to you (and you know it or you wouldn't have quoted my post), but it doesn't matter.

I don't have an...

Are you attributing the spread of the entirety of Celtic language and culture to predominantly U152 groups? Or just the spread of it into northern Italy?

U152 is rare in Ireland and Iberia, where...

Yes, it would be nice if Maciamo reappeared on this thread to tell us how he got that figure for his map.

Obviously, we disagree, if by "the Pontic-Caspian theory of IE origins" you mean to equate the spread of IE with y haplogroup R1a.

"Ockham's Razor" would not certainly not attribute the spread of...

It seems to me lactase persistence in its European incarnation as the T-13910 allele is much more frequent in R1b-dominated regions of Europe than it is in R1a-dominated regions.

A recent study of...