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    Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated. ...

    Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated.

    As for E-V13. It is well spread in all Greek speaking populations and in all regions. So it's old. And there is no known large migration from Italy...
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    Critical analysis is always accepted. We can...

    Critical analysis is always accepted.

    We can answer some of your questions with further evidence, not related to this paper about Mycenaeans. For starters, we know the areas which the Greeks have...
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    So that is where you want to go to. Amazing. You...

    So that is where you want to go to. Amazing. You made such a fantastic point. I do not know what to say about that. I am struck.

    What can I say? Perhaps they did not speak English? So they didn't...
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    The memory of Alexander had survived within the...

    The memory of Alexander had survived within the Greek literary tradition indeed. In fact, if it wasn't for the Greek literary tradition, it is quite likely that we would not have known much of...
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    Yes, I know what these two words mean. I take it...

    Yes, I know what these two words mean. I take it you are not an expert in the Ancient Greek language. The bottom line is that a philhellene in Ancient Greek could be someone of Greek or non-Greek...
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    This is speculation absent evidence. Also not...

    This is speculation absent evidence.
    Also not quite realistic that the Ancient Macedonians, the people who conquered the known world were ashamed of their origins. And they left no sign of their...
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    A philhellene is not someone who accepted the...

    A philhellene is not someone who accepted the Greek culture and language. It is someone who loves the Greeks or the Greek cause. It could be non-Greek, like lord Byron in modern times, but in Ancient...
  8. The FYR of Macedonia (to become North Macedonia)...

    The FYR of Macedonia (to become North Macedonia) is the North Macedonian region depicted by a German historian in the 19th century, during the late Ottoman Empire. This geographical concept stuck for...
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    You miss an important question. Where all the...

    You miss an important question. Where all the Classical Age Greeks in Macedonia, Epirus, Peloponesse, Crete, Ionia and Cyprus genetically entirely similar to each other? Firstly we have to answer...
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    Vlachs throughout the Balkans genetically overlap...

    Vlachs throughout the Balkans genetically overlap with the native people which coinhabit their lands, rather than other Vlachs in distant area's. I.e. Greek Vlachs and Serb Vlachs do not overlap...
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    This is exciting. When they publish we will get...

    This is exciting. When they publish we will get some insight on the genetic evolution of the Greeks throughout different periods of time. I am sure we will be able add some more pieces to the puzzle.
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    Classical Greeks may or may not have had more...

    Classical Greeks may or may not have had more diverse ancestry compared to the Mycenaeans. This does not make them any less Greek, since the ethnogenesis of the Greeks slowly started to take shape...
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    What kind of evidence does Triandafilidis have...

    What kind of evidence does Triandafilidis have the Dorians not altering the genetic mainframe of Ancient Greece. We would need post Iron Age and pre-Hellenistic Age genetic material to confirm that....
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    I once read a research which indicated that...

    I once read a research which indicated that Vlachs were more genetically similar to the people in the region they inhabited, than other Vlachs in other countries. That is, a Vlach in Serbia will be...
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    I have said they are quite close, far closer than...

    I have said they are quite close, far closer than Turks. I didn't say they cluster with Western Anatolians. Albanians typically are very close to central Greeks. In the PCA I posted, most Greeks are...
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    Well, we could safely assume that a lot happened...

    Well, we could safely assume that a lot happened between the Bronze Age and 1100 A.D. Yet, I find it remarkable that the Cypriots would still cluster very close to the Bronze Age Anatolians. One...
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    I think they may have considerable...

    I think they may have considerable Iranic/Caucasus admixture as well.
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    Turks have considerabele non-anatolian ancestry. ...

    Turks have considerabele non-anatolian ancestry. There is little need to hypothesize, we actually have DNA material of Bronze Age Anatolians:...
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    For many reasons, genetic, historical and...

    For many reasons, genetic, historical and otherwise the onus is upon you to prove that E-V13 was spread by Turks rather than peoples who hail from the Balkans. You are being ignorant. But we are...
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    Whereas it is not impossible that E-V13 is...

    Whereas it is not impossible that E-V13 is present in Central Asia in very low quantities since 2000 years or so. It is highly unlikely that Turks are responsible form spreading this gene.

    While...
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    The problem is that Dupidh thinks that Mycenaeans...

    The problem is that Dupidh thinks that Mycenaeans and Classical Greeks can not be referred to as Hellenes, which is erroneous for many reasons. Other than the fact that the rest of his arguments...
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    You mean the Classical Greeks. We can already...

    You mean the Classical Greeks. We can already attest that South Italians and Sicilians in some respects are more similar to Mycenaeans than are some modern Greeks. But, in that respect, we should not...
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    So basically what Thucydides claims is that there...

    So basically what Thucydides claims is that there were population replacements starting around 1200 BC. Some tribes from Thessaly and Epirus (possible also parts of Macedonia), also called Dorians...
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    Look at it this way. Three out of four Mycenaeans...

    Look at it this way. Three out of four Mycenaeans are closer to modern Greeks than they are to the other Mycenaean (I9010). The latter fits right in with the Minoans. Even if we include the fourth,...
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    Not sure what you mean by this. But I think that...

    Not sure what you mean by this. But I think that for you Hellenes are a separate body of IE tribes perhaps who brought the IE element to Greece.

    In fact, Hellenes were the Ancient Greeks as we...
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