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    Don't you remember that HUGE migration from...

    Don't you remember that HUGE migration from Cyprus to Greece??? Were you sleeping during history class???:grin:

    You know what the answer always is, right? It was all those TURKISH AND LEVANTINE...
  2. I'm not sure. All of the Iron Age samples are...

    I'm not sure. All of the Iron Age samples are from Central Italy. It's possible that Iron Age samples from much further north will turn out to have more pale people.

    It's odd, isn't it, that there...
  3. Or it was incorporated somewhere like Cucuteni or...

    Or it was incorporated somewhere like Cucuteni or Globular Amphora or near modern day Moldova. We'll have to wait and see.

    Yes, that's an odd y Dna to show up, but the odd European will show up...
  4. The Iron Gates HGs still formed a significant...

    The Iron Gates HGs still formed a significant percentage of their ancestry.

    Interesting that I2a1 was already there; came to the area way before the Slavs, apparently, yes?

    More steppe than in...
  5. I think the Polada culture might be a good...

    I think the Polada culture might be a good candidate for the new arrivals from north of the Alps. (approximately 2200 to 1500 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polada_culture

    A bit further south in...
  6. Yes, it's all very intriguing. We don't have a...

    Yes, it's all very intriguing.

    We don't have a lot of samples, though, and none from the western, Mediterranean side, so maybe more light haired and light eyed people will turn up then.

    This...
  7. I found their statement about it at the very end...

    I found their statement about it at the very end of the paper and assumed it would lead to usable data. Sorry.

    Perhaps if you e-mailed them?

    Here I am asking you to do something else. :)
  8. @Jovialis, The raw data for these samples is...

    @Jovialis,

    The raw data for these samples is available.
  9. Real Expert, there are 46 samples from Bronze Age...

    Real Expert, there are 46 samples from Bronze Age Italy, including the mainland, Sicily and Sardinia. Of those 46 samples, 4 are blond or dark blonde and blue eyed and they're all from Sardinia. None...
  10. Indeed they were, and sometimes sadly naïve in...

    Indeed they were, and sometimes sadly naïve in their early glorification of the Noble Savages a la Rousseau, although sometimes I think they used those discourses precisely to criticize things in...
  11. I'd love to know where I contradicted that. If...

    I'd love to know where I contradicted that. If you go back and read my post you'll see that I never mentioned BLUE EYES. I talked about pale skin or blond hair.

    Feel free to show me the sample of...
  12. Data Table S6D, tab B is fabulous. You can...

    Data Table S6D, tab B is fabulous. You can compare all the Italian samples both to the Near East and Yamnaya for each and every phenotype allele, from starch digestion, to resistance to diseases as...
  13. Some interesting tidbits. " most of the N,...

    Some interesting tidbits.

    " most of the N, Chalcolithic, and BA Italian samples available from the literature fall within the EN cluster."

    What the authors call "GEORGIA CHG" begins to appear...
  14. You don't get to rest your case with a complete...

    You don't get to rest your case with a complete fabrication. Or maybe you just didn't bother to read it?

    Read carefully now...

    Who arrived at that time, Bicicleur??? Are you freaking kidding...
  15. Interesting that their projection for the date of...

    Interesting that their projection for the date of the arrival is later than the Sicilian Bell Beaker. Of course, as they acknowledge, some of their C14 testing failed, and they qualify their...
  16. I'M highjacking the thread? You're the one making...

    I'M highjacking the thread? You're the one making nonsensical claims and asking questions, and, btw, throwing out ad hominids all over the place.

    I'm merely answering the questions you post. You...
  17. You asked for proof. I provided it, including the...

    You asked for proof. I provided it, including the teaching curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania. You think these scholars are not basing their conclusions on ARCHAEOLOGY? They described what...
  18. You're the one who brought up the Visigoths and...

    You're the one who brought up the Visigoths and how the refusal to let in and feed the starving Germanic tribes justified the destruction of all of Europe within the Empire. You expect that to go...
  19. Yeah, all those derived R1b men and R1a men just...

    Yeah, all those derived R1b men and R1a men just dropped out of spaceships or something.

    For goodness' sakes.

    Is this the kind of poster this site is now attracting?
  20. You should know after my thousands of posts here...

    You should know after my thousands of posts here that I don't state as fact something that I cannot prove.

    See:
    https://www.ling.upenn.edu/~rnoyer/courses/51/AegeanBronzeAge.pdf

    Is the...
  21. I'm quite familiar with the elementary school...

    I'm quite familiar with the elementary school version.

    One of the reasons, btw, for the move of the capital to the east was because the western Empire was under constant attack from attacking...
  22. I wasn't aware you were constrained to come here...

    I wasn't aware you were constrained to come here or to read the thread.
  23. Don't bother, Vallicanus. These people have no...

    Don't bother, Vallicanus. These people have no understanding of history or archaeology.

    Listen to the nonsense posted that the fall of the Roman Empire was only bad for Rome. That's someone who...
  24. You can't prove me wrong because the genetic...

    You can't prove me wrong because the genetic data, history and archaeology are all in my favor. That's why you can't address any of my points.

    Apparently, when you do bother to keep up with and...
  25. Johannes Krause and the researchers at Max Plank...

    Johannes Krause and the researchers at Max Plank know more about the plague than any scientists on earth.

    No, I'm not going to summarize it for you. I'm tired of doing the work for people too...
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