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  1. Which would mean they may have had plenty of r1a...

    Which would mean they may have had plenty of r1a and some q-l54 -

    'Järve (2019)[3] studied genetics of various peoples belonging to the Scythian cultures, such as Cimmerians, Scythians,...
  2. Yes and i do find it funny how people look at...

    Yes and i do find it funny how people look at autosomnal dna from clearly heavily celtic mixed samples and then say how come modern albanians arent closely related to these, why are they are more...
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    Pal, you need to read up on history more before...

    Pal, you need to read up on history more before writing on here

    The romans named an entire region for illyrians hundreds of years after you claim they were wiped out -
    Illyricum /ɪˈlɪrɪkəm/ was...
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    Daco thracian source not possible, as roman...

    Daco thracian source not possible, as roman conquests went in this order - illyria + greece, tunisia, THEN thrace

    The r1b z2103 and v13 in tunisia cannot be from thrace
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  5. I understand but i was speaking of actual roman...

    I understand but i was speaking of actual roman natives, the imperials that spoke latin - apparently 50% of them carried J lines, mostly j2a

    It is unlikely they had much to do with v13 internally...
  6. I was stricly speaking about y dna, looks like...

    I was stricly speaking about y dna, looks like some g2a and j2a in south albania is from greek natives that were assimilated when proto albanians moved south? Looking at some of the lines I ran into...
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    Albanians not being direct descendents of...

    Albanians not being direct descendents of illyrians doesnt undermine anything, just your fantasies and ideas. Dont forget the illyrians wouldnt have had any south slavic input as they predate them in...
  8. North albanians = least "foreign" input,...

    North albanians = least "foreign" input, communist regime probably helped with that

    Kosovar/macedonian albanians = more south slavic input

    South albanians/tosks = more south slavic input (this...
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    Your knowledge of history is worse than your...

    Your knowledge of history is worse than your knowledge of genetics - please stick to genetics!

    Of course illyrians were one of the first groups to be conquered by the romans but they conquered...
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    Maps like these are meaningless when the sources...

    Maps like these are meaningless when the sources are heavily skewed. Its not about who has the most samples - its about who has the biggest ratio within the country.

    A lot of countries are...
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    What other samples are mentioned/rumoured in the...

    What other samples are mentioned/rumoured in the albanian paper?
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    Im not the one claiming a heavily celtic mixed...

    Im not the one claiming a heavily celtic mixed ancient dna from slovenia is illyrian. You need to chill and wait for more adna before making rash "confirmations"

    Haha and now you try to make...
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    If you mean i2a din, yes it peaks in bosnia but...

    If you mean i2a din, yes it peaks in bosnia but around 40% not 50%. It doesnt explain why j2b l283 is near no existant in montenegro

    Meanwhile both countries have a bit more r1b z2103 -...
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    No no no, you need to understand that celts...

    No no no, you need to understand that celts played a big role in urnfield dating back to 1300bc. Urnfield covered all of slovenia and much of croatia, most of italy, france etc. It is easy to find...
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    But it hasnt overwhelmingly pointed to that yet -...

    But it hasnt overwhelmingly pointed to that yet - i also cant wait until it pops up in those regions too alongside other lines

    J2b l283 is almost non existant in bosnia and montenegro - that...
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    Please give me a full list of ancient j2b l283,...

    Please give me a full list of ancient j2b l283, would be great if there was a website to keep track of it - do we have the year on the albanian sample yet?

    The j2b l283 found in slovenia was...
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    I dont know, looking at the urnfield map - it...

    I dont know, looking at the urnfield map - it looks quite clear to me where the illyrians were as it doesnt differ too much with post urnfield - why did urnfield allow for such mass of land in...
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    Novo mesto wasnt an illyrian hub though as it is...

    Novo mesto wasnt an illyrian hub though as it is in slovenia - novo mesto would have been overrun by celts since tumulus culture and definitely during urnfield. It was already destroyed and conquered...
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    Which iron age illyrians? Thracians and illyrians...

    Which iron age illyrians? Thracians and illyrians emerged from a close region and it is possible that they carried similar bronze age lines before expanding. Z2103 has already been found in early...
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    Double post - delete

    Double post - delete
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    I am not talking about illyria proper, i am...

    I am not talking about illyria proper, i am talking about unmixed illyrians. Ancient croatia/slovenia is where celts pushed their culture

    Yeah sure, illyrians were wiped out somehow in 314bc yet...
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    A lot happened between early bronze age to...

    A lot happened between early bronze age to antiquity in that region. Dalmatia was part of cetina which practised inhumation, then it became part of the tumulus sphere and then urnfield - any...
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    Anything is possible since we dont have adna at...

    Anything is possible since we dont have adna at hand. It could be that j2b l283 was never a popular line in western balkans and went through expansion more recently in small pockets. The lack of j2b...
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    Until we get samples from illyria proper we will...

    Until we get samples from illyria proper we will keep going around in circles in regards to the lines they carried - we need samples from bosnia-albania region

    The j2b l283 found in slovenia was...
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    Their steles showed myceanean/ancient greek...

    Their steles showed myceanean/ancient greek cultural influence...

    "The stele of warriors often have processions of chariots or fight scenes, which were interpreted as funeral games in honor of the...
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