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    Poll: :good_job:

    :good_job:
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    Poll: Dear Pater, then go to FTDNA and inform Italy as...

    Dear Pater, then go to FTDNA and inform Italy as your patrilineal location, because I couldn't find an Italian G-L30* in Block Tree. If you tested BigY, you should have made it clear in the message...
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    Poll: Pater, please stop sending me "kind" PMs. ...

    Pater, please stop sending me "kind" PMs.
    Thanks!
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    Ops! It seems the part of G-L497 in Dagestan was...

    Ops! It seems the part of G-L497 in Dagestan was edited. I should have quoted it.
    Well, well...

    @Shissem
    Don't bother!
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    Poll: You said you didn't know if you are G-L497, but...

    You said you didn't know if you are G-L497, but you supposedly tested BigY.

    It seems you didn't get it yet. G-L30 (G2a2b) is ancestral to G-L497, but not to Stalin's clade (G2a1). Please stop...
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    Poll: Lol Firstly you suggested - in the "deleted...

    Lol Firstly you suggested - in the "deleted message" - you tested at 23andMe and that you don't know if you're G-L497. Now you say you tested BigY and you're G-L30*. Hmm Right!

    No, dude, every...
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    Poll: Pater, I wouldn't even know how to begin. :) ...

    Pater, I wouldn't even know how to begin. :)
    Let's go in short...
    Again, regarding the articles, you're seeing "human Y chromosome" and reading "Y generic (sub-)haplogroups".
    As for G-L30, it's...
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    @Shissem Yeah, I suppose he agrees with you...

    @Shissem
    Yeah, I suppose he agrees with you after all, indeed.

    @Pater
    You seem a bit confused also regarding the articles you shared. Fellow, you're jumping to conclusions using binary reasoning...
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    Could you provide the source?

    Could you provide the source?
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    Poll: Pater, I'm a bit bored about this subject, since...

    Pater, I'm a bit bored about this subject, since I talked too much about it*, but I'll give this one more answer (I assume you read all this thread already?).
    Firstly, interesting articles. Y...
  11. Thanks. Do you have a link?

    Thanks. Do you have a link?
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    Thanks, Angela and Ygor, for the opinions. ...

    Thanks, Angela and Ygor, for the opinions.

    Here is the research article (didn't read it yet):
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0225117
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    Dukas: The Sorcerer's Apprentice ...

    Dukas: The Sorcerer's Apprentice


    https://youtu.be/jNaNDXyXRFo
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    Borodin: Polovtsian Dances Great! ...

    Borodin: Polovtsian Dances

    Great!


    https://youtu.be/YabEfOQRG3U

    With Chorus: https://youtu.be/aGNObWgU2Qw
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    @Angela Just found the time to check it. ...

    @Angela
    Just found the time to check it.

    Dodecad V3's Oracle is not that bad after all, but it does have North Italians. Still, my three first pops there are Tuscans. N_Italian is the 4th, and...
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    I completely understand the bias which you...

    I completely understand the bias which you usually refer to. It's relevant, and the calculator matters, as my post suggests. But I was more focused on the methodology per se, on how the tool...
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    They claim the modern pop labels were borrowed...

    They claim the modern pop labels were borrowed from K15 for comparison, but that the similarities end here, i.e., that it's not based on it. We supposedly could notice it by checking the results for...
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    Just saw this: ...

    Just saw this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/nov/27/bad-luck-may-have-caused-neanderthals-extinction-study
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    Mother's updated - 23andMe data ...

    Mother's updated - 23andMe data

    https://i.imgur.com/TGBnKPJ.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/TCZYa4I.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/Iwfk2NM.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/WB97VnR.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/xRX6j6X.jpg...
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    Father's updated - 23andMe data ...

    Father's updated - 23andMe data

    https://i.imgur.com/ceHcYCy.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/eT7Btjc.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/CMEnUy1.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/puTJ1rH.jpg
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    Mine updated - 23andMe data ...

    Mine updated - 23andMe data

    https://i.imgur.com/xDvP6IJ.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/VM83UfR.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/An4ViVf.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/7raO6D4.jpg
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    @Pax Yeah, those densities matter, unless we...

    @Pax
    Yeah, those densities matter, unless we were talking on averages among provinces. Then we'd possibly get a bit different picture?
    I really forgot of these "west-east" gradients. So the best...
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    Thanks for the infos. It's said the source is...

    Thanks for the infos.

    It's said the source is a small town "near" Florence. But in theory a single one non-Tuscan grandparent would be allowed. Don't know if it explains the outliers.
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    I believe it explains it. Thanks. Also,...

    I believe it explains it. Thanks.
    Also, Florence must be a good "average" for Tuscany.

    No problem. It's below (there are more results in page 3). This Illyrian is so close that the first place...
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    Is it based on G25 or K15? Well, it's just...

    Is it based on G25 or K15?

    Well, it's just one more tool for clues anyway, not a "given truth". :)
    We discussed these "convergences" before. It's not that we're living fossils of ancient people...
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