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  1. I get that the attribution of NE/anatolian...

    I get that the attribution of NE/anatolian ancestry isn't to denigrate anybody (though people on other anthrofora think it does), and I have never thought you implied that, but my care is for...
  2. The Antonio et al graph has Greeks with a higher...

    The Antonio et al graph has Greeks with a higher heterogeneity, and if you look at all the distribution you see that they fall lowere than where the southernmost south Italians are located, and the...
  3. Besides the fact the sample is from the late...

    Besides the fact the sample is from the late Roman period I have been told, so he is a bit late chronologically, the fact that he clusters with islanders (at least the samples used in this paper, and...
  4. I can agree some responses from the staff are too...

    I can agree some responses from the staff are too knee-jerk and not thoughtful, though I must admit that certain t-rolling is tiring since it gets always refuted and always brought up, but I do not...
  5. I should be very cautious of drawing any...

    I should be very cautious of drawing any inference from just a sample, and it seems that this Roman_Greek had significant Levantine ancestry (not Anatolian, as influences from the asia minor colonies...
  6. I agree, though I am confident that the near east...

    I agree, though I am confident that the near east outlier was indeed from the north Levant (if we trust the methodology for the rest of the results, this we must also accept); of course the were also...
  7. In the supplementary the best models are around...

    In the supplementary the best models are around half balkan_IA-like and half Anatolian_BA-like with minor Iran_N to add.
  8. I have seen utter mendacity and/or idiocy on...

    I have seen utter mendacity and/or idiocy on other sites since this paper has come out, I should rather avoid rants but sometimes I can't be helped.

    The paper is huge in terms of information to...
  9. The misunderstanding is that Jovialis meant...

    The misunderstanding is that Jovialis meant "before the slavic invasions and after the fall of the Roman empire", since the paper clearly states that, as far as the evidence goes, those Anatolians...
  10. Speaking of historical analysis, I've got the...

    Speaking of historical analysis, I've got the impression, since among the samples already available some Etruscans (at least people coming from ancient Etruria) can be modelled as roughly half the...
  11. To be precise the authors used Yoruba as a proxy...

    To be precise the authors used Yoruba as a proxy for Levantine and North Africa influences, and given the wording ("compared to the contemporary Roman", which suggests to me that it isn't...
  12. As usual, whatever G25 spits out is 100% true...

    As usual, whatever G25 spits out is 100% true despite the fact that virtually all the genetic literature has debunked such laughworthy histories: it is quite spectacularly a circular reasoning to...
  13. This is a myth that the historical accounts and...

    This is a myth that the historical accounts and the uniparentals back up a significant genetic turnover in Sicily and south Italy as a result of "Greeks and Near Eastern migrants": it ought to be...
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    This paper shows that the Daunians in north...

    This paper shows that the Daunians in north Apulia were as much "south" (in the Italian cline, westward shift in the PCA) as central Italians and north Apulians today, and thought "west" of them...
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    An abandoned site isn't evidence that the whole...

    An abandoned site isn't evidence that the whole area was depopulated of his original inhabitants and resettled by Greeks and Near Easteners: it just means that the local populations diminished, but...
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    What are you referring to with "completely new...

    What are you referring to with "completely new group of DNA"?
    Is there a paper that shows that a region in Italy, Vagnari, was all Greek adn "east med" (by this I understand near east, from the...
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    I agree that "continuity" is a subjective label...

    I agree that "continuity" is a subjective label and it is just the interpretation of the authors that decides when there is continuity or not (except in clear cut cases), but that bit is very...
  18. I wrote "it came from Iran" not that the spead of...

    I wrote "it came from Iran" not that the spead of semitic tongues is strongly linked with J1 haplo, which is likely, but as you've written it seems likelier that who brought J1 into the Levant and...
  19. The suggestion that Semitic languages came with J...

    The suggestion that Semitic languages came with J from Iran is as moronic as the suggestion that Albanians and the Albanian language come from north africa because of haplo E.
    They got the...
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    12835 12836 Both in this paper's PCA and...

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    Both in this paper's PCA and the one from the Antonio et al paper ancient Romans, though cluster closest to north Italians, are west of them (also R437 is a bit west of modern...
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    12834 A caucasus shift would be still a...

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    A caucasus shift would be still a rightward shift to an extent, and though an Anatolian_IA-like gene flow could work well for central and south Italians (at least judging visually by the...
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    12833 I knew that the awkwardness of talking...

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    I knew that the awkwardness of talking about "east shift" when one refers to an upward translation in a PCA because the samples the shifted ones are pulled towards are geographically from...
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    It can be a possibility but I do not like ad hoc...

    It can be a possibility but I do not like ad hoc postulates and as for now we're still in the dark as to what caused the "east shift" (what I've called "AEE shift" to indicate the upwards translation...
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    Since I've already read some astoundingly dumb...

    Since I've already read some astoundingly dumb comments from the usual sites about the paper, especially that "it confirms that Italy was Italic-like before Greek settlers almost completely replaced...
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    I have read it yesterday and waited for a few...

    I have read it yesterday and waited for a few comments before chipping in, here what my thoughts are:

    First I feel two caveats are important to make: I've noticed a bit of terminological...
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