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    All i can find is scattered archeological papers...

    All i can find is scattered archeological papers about these cultures, i have no deep informations about Channeled Ware/Flutted Ware and Encrusted Pottery Culture, how much difference did they have...
  2. That's what Stamov is suggesting: We have...

    That's what Stamov is suggesting:



    We have already discussed that potentially the ultimate origin of E-V13 is in Encrusted Pottery Culture from Western Pannonia. Aspurg has put his arguments...
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    What we are sure so far is that Psenicevo-Babadag...

    What we are sure so far is that Psenicevo-Babadag Culture was exclusively E-V13, so you need to go backwards in order to deduce what other cultures were packed with E-V13, and logic brings us to all...
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    I rather think all of the them, inter-related...

    I rather think all of the them, inter-related cultures were packed with E-V13 no matter what was the ultimate source.
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    It's not doubtful, i would take with a grain of...

    It's not doubtful, i would take with a grain of salt what that guy said about Brnjica, obviously the reason why he opposes is conflict of interest.

    Otherwise you wouldn't see an Albanian author...
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    No, the EIA leaks full of E-V13 was part of...

    No, the EIA leaks full of E-V13 was part of Psenicevo Culture which in turn was part of Dubovac-Zuto Brda/Grla Mare Culture. And we have archeological evidence of Dubovac people heading straight to...
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    This article written by Draga Garasanin is a very...

    This article written by Draga Garasanin is a very good read.

    https://www.rastko.rs/arheologija/dgarasanin-the_bronze.htm


    We have genetic and archeological evidence of E-V13 introduction in...
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    I really think the Koszider hoard is the main...

    I really think the Koszider hoard is the main event of spreading E-V13, the western branch forming/influencing Illyrians and the eastern branch forming/influencing Thracians. There should be an...
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    We all agree your theory is elegant. I admit, i...

    We all agree your theory is elegant. I admit, i never thought about some details before which now i find them quite intriguing.

    What you all say, academics lump into Koszider hoards and Koszider...
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    From which region?

    From which region?
  11. I am not particularly familiar with Y-DNA E-M123...

    I am not particularly familiar with Y-DNA E-M123 but i associate it strictly with Levant, Natufian/PPNB derived lineages, they must be the original Pre Proto-Semitic people, either them or some E-M78...
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    So, late bronze age influence doesn't hold ground...

    So, late bronze age influence doesn't hold ground at all. Matt-Pottery Culture is usually associated with Minyan Ware, Middle to Late Helladic.

    Making conclusions solely on images which point...
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    My personal opinion so far, is that the...

    My personal opinion so far, is that the Proto-Illyrians were a mixture of Tumulus Grave Culture known in German as Hügelgräberkultur from around the Alps and Incrusted Ware Culture from Transdanubia,...
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    E1a maybe yes, but A1 is not related to Ancestral...

    E1a maybe yes, but A1 is not related to Ancestral North Africans who were quite different on look/phenotype from both SSA and Eurasians. They took their own evolutionary path.

    Remember the Shum...
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    Ok, Aspurg was right, even Frano Prendi the...

    Ok, Aspurg was right, even Frano Prendi the Albanian Archeologist thinks Matt-Pottery Culture is related to the Central Balkans cultures like Belotic Bela Crkva, is this a similar culture to...
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    Aleksandar Stipcevic, a Croatian archeologist...

    Aleksandar Stipcevic, a Croatian archeologist with Arbanasi ancestry critcized the so called authoctonist archeologists like some Yugoslav and Communist Albanian ones who refused any kind of Late...
  17. This paper seems very contradicting. Like linking...

    This paper seems very contradicting. Like linking E-V13 with Proto-Celtic, Tumulus Culture and Urnfield with Tyrsenian languages.
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    Cremation on a pyre was a thing for that zone of...

    Cremation on a pyre was a thing for that zone of Albania, among the Enchelei, among Epirotans, Ancient Macedonians. All in all there is no other way to explain this. There is not much of space.
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    I choose first option because like you said it...

    I choose first option because like you said it really looks like Albanian is related to Messapian and in turn Messapians could have been heavy E-V13 Z5018.

    Second reason is that i believe the...
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    https://i.imgur.com/1x6Ihi7.png ...

    https://i.imgur.com/1x6Ihi7.png

    https://i.imgur.com/d7wbViX.png

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    So, who are the matt-painted pottery culture?...

    So, who are the matt-painted pottery culture? Some say they formed the later Proto-Greek tribes (Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians?), other say they formed Illyrians from Albania. Hard to say.

    How did...
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    I cannot say much about this, i am going to come...

    I cannot say much about this, i am going to come back at you when i do a research on Matt-Painted Pottery Culture and the connections it has so i understand the chronology.
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    All in all, i expect a more complex picture of...

    All in all, i expect a more complex picture of Illyrians, as noted by various archeologists.
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    Marija Gimbutas noted that Proto-Illyrians...

    Marija Gimbutas noted that Proto-Illyrians migrated into Illyria during Late Bronze Age from Middle Danube, we also see during this time that cremation was introduced into Glasinac:





    So,...
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    I don't agree with Thraco-Cimmerian zone, i think...

    I don't agree with Thraco-Cimmerian zone, i think it might be right for some specific E-V13 subclades like E-V13 CTS9320 but not for the other subclades, but then again more or less it looks like all...
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