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  1. Yes arbereshe was likely the ethnic name...

    Yes arbereshe was likely the ethnic name albanians used back then so when they moved to italy they kept that identity. Or it was the name for tosks or a subgroup of tosks in 1400s further down the...
  2. Do you have an estimated year for that j2b2...

    Do you have an estimated year for that j2b2 because the bronze age is a long period. Would help determine if its related to illyrian period or before them

    Also i had a look at the heat map for r1b...
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    How did so called pure thracian v13 (impossible...

    How did so called pure thracian v13 (impossible by the way) romania go from 100% v13 to under 6%?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3547065/

    I dont believe this nonsense about...
  4. He sounds like hes mad that north albanians are...

    He sounds like hes mad that north albanians are the least mixed people in all of europe whilst greeks are towards top of the chart as the most mixed - someone needs to close this garbage discussion
  5. You stupid clown, arbereshe were south albanians...

    You stupid clown, arbereshe were south albanians even further south than tosks and they were already slightly mixed with greeks who were already mixed with south slavs. This explains the elevated...
  6. Please mods delete this as have moved up to post...

    Please mods delete this as have moved up to post #13
  7. A lot of ancient italian history is tied with...

    A lot of ancient italian history is tied with balkan and greek history - so without more ancient dna it is not yet possible to make concrete claims about which lines belonged to what cultures -
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  8. Do you not think it is possible that z2103 moved...

    Do you not think it is possible that z2103 moved down through georgia/anatolia and then thousands years later moved up into balkans? Like i said z2103 does exist in those regions even today whereas...
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    Fair enough but its still hard to believe that in...

    Fair enough but its still hard to believe that in bronze age europe a small pure v13 group could rise to prominence - if they were part of european culture do you suggest they also spoke an indo...
  10. I understand that r1b z2103 came from yanmaya but...

    I understand that r1b z2103 came from yanmaya but i suggested it went directly south. R-L51 is almost non existant in balkans and west asia and z2103 is non existant in western europe. It clearly...
  11. Yes this is interesting, most of these tmrcas...

    Yes this is interesting, most of these tmrcas arent too far off the roman conquests but yes some may predate it. We should remember that in the roman empire boys were allowed to marry at age 14 and...
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    What makes you believe that and what sort of...

    What makes you believe that and what sort of dates are you referring to? You just said v13 popped out of nowhere in europe so how did it manage to form a tribe of pure v13 yet still originate in...
  13. You are arguing with a guy who thinks north...

    You are arguing with a guy who thinks north albanians are not albanian because they carry less south slavic and greek dna than arbereshe, surely this topic should be closed. Not to mention his data...
  14. I have many questions but also regarding z2103 ...

    I have many questions but also regarding z2103

    First of all, why is the spread of z2103 different to j2b l283 if they moved together? J2b is not uncommon in italy yet z2103 is rare, whereas z2103...
  15. Utter nonsense, j2a is a not a major lineage in...

    Utter nonsense, j2a is a not a major lineage in south albania, those are still ev13 & r1b z2103, if j2a is a major lineage then so is i1! Even i2a din is more common in south albania than the...
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    Through anatolia/middle east along with r1b z2103...

    Through anatolia/middle east along with r1b z2103 in the form of what became proto illyrians. V13 was likely more numerous
  17. I completely forgot about that idiot, people...

    I completely forgot about that idiot, people shouldnt get so worked up about y dna when we dont have enough ancient dna to determine who came from where. We are only speculating
  18. That is cool but it doesnt answer the question...

    That is cool but it doesnt answer the question regarding illyrians until we get concrete dates. Only late bronze would be helpful, mostly iron age. It could be illyrians came from elsewhere and wiped...
  19. If we are talking about these sort of dates then...

    If we are talking about these sort of dates then it is difficult to link j2b l283 to illyrians as it clearly predates them. We need ancient dna from 900bc-100ad to better determine
  20. You are mixing up r1b z2103 with j2b l283 - z2103...

    You are mixing up r1b z2103 with j2b l283 - z2103 is almost non existant in western europe whereas j2b is found more in italy.

    Albanians today have 1% western european r1b, it is clear to...
  21. Are you sure you found not a single link to italy...

    Are you sure you found not a single link to italy or greece? Do you know how much j2a is found in greece and south italy? There is a lot so maybe take a closer look. Otherwise, start looking at the...
  22. So far this is what we know of the r1b tree,...

    So far this is what we know of the r1b tree, z2103 split very early from western r1b groups and is almost non existant in western europe today
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  23. Came from Africa? Not quite but not far from...

    Came from Africa? Not quite but not far from there. It doesnt really matter where they came from, what matters is when they settled in europe. E and j2b are clearly not typical western european lines...
  24. How common is this line in england or ireland?

    How common is this line in england or ireland?
  25. Bottle neck? So what, i dont get your point with...

    Bottle neck? So what, i dont get your point with bringing up a bottle neck. North albania is full of mountains and people still live in mountains today so it is possible that north albanians are more...
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