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  1. Honestly it seems to me they are a bit different:...

    Honestly it seems to me they are a bit different: I recall that the Aegean_BA cluster was below and east of Sicilians on a PCA, whereas this main Greek cluster seems just below Sicilians, and it...
  2. Can I ask why the focus has gone to southern...

    Can I ask why the focus has gone to southern Italians when the topic is about ancient Greeks?
    Anyway, this additional natufian admixture is something I have never seen in any official paper, since...
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    To split EEF into "WHG" and "Barcin_N" to claim...

    To split EEF into "WHG" and "Barcin_N" to claim that northern Europeans are "mostly WHG+Steppe" is odd and borderline nonsensical: in a sense it's true, but Steppe people mixed with EEF, a...
  4. Your wording is a bit ambiguous (was it a...

    Your wording is a bit ambiguous (was it a "minoan-like" as in literally "minoan-like" or a population that had a more minoan-like substrate/it's ideally better modelled with minoan as a substrate?),...
  5. It is hard to tell, in terms of direct ancestry,...

    It is hard to tell, in terms of direct ancestry, but in terms of affinity yes it's true overall, taking Latin_IA as "Italic" (Italic was a linguistic group foremost, and if upcoming Sicily_IA samples...
  6. What is to be seen is what caused south Italians...

    What is to be seen is what caused south Italians to be modelled best as Minoan+steppe, which suggests an increase in CHG/Iran_N with respect to their ancestors in the IA.
    What is peculiar is that...
  7. To me it seems just a really bad study, at least...

    To me it seems just a really bad study, at least some parts and results: as far as I recall, though I might be wrong, Levantines are mostly similar to their BA ancestors, and it has been confirmed in...
  8. Overall I get the impression your friend can be...

    Overall I get the impression your friend can be taken as a very general proxy for "eastern islander/western anatolian" Greek, though half of the ancestry of his mother isn't known and half of his...
  9. Could you tell us where your friend and his mom...

    Could you tell us where your friend and his mom are from? It would be interesting to get a picture of greek results from various places in Greece, ofc if it's not a private piece of information.
  10. I notice you've noticed too: all southern...

    I notice you've noticed too: all southern Europeans (minus basques and sardinians) seem to have been "eastern shifted" (meaning they are upward shifted in the PCA and have higher CHG/Iran_N levels)...
  11. That is an interesting result, but since Sicily...

    That is an interesting result, but since Sicily (L)BA had also some CHG/Iran_N contribution, I expected that at least some of the Minoan and Catacomb bits would be due to it. On the face of it it...
  12. @jovialis why not using Sicily_BA as a more...

    @jovialis
    why not using Sicily_BA as a more proximate source for the south?
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    My two cents: It is clear that Italy underwent a...

    My two cents:
    It is clear that Italy underwent a change with respect to how it was in the early iron age but the archeogenetics of Italy is still poorly understood, so no definitive answer can be...
  14. I wonder why this kind of pseudoscientific BS is...

    I wonder why this kind of pseudoscientific BS is still going on here
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    It is surprising to me to see how heated a simple...

    It is surprising to me to see how heated a simple discussion about archeogenetics have turned, since I am not used to see them here, but for what it is worth, what I've come to believe is that...
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    My guess is that the majority of the imperial...

    My guess is that the majority of the imperial samples are indeed foreigners, but before drawing inferences about the demography one must keep in mind that Latins practiced cremation back then and it...
  17. This is why I wanted to keep myself out of this...

    This is why I wanted to keep myself out of this pointless discussion: no one denies Levantines and middle easteners entered in Italy (we have samples from the Antonio et al paper, those in the C4...
  18. I did not want to take part in the "nativist vs...

    I did not want to take part in the "nativist vs immigrationist" debate, since I think that new papers will make the picture clearer, and I have already presented my issues with the last paper on the...
  19. The abstract:

    The abstract:
  20. https://isba9.sciencesconf.org/data/pages/Abstract...

    https://isba9.sciencesconf.org/data/pages/Abstract_Book_ISBA9_2022.pdf , Pag 122: it isn't surprising that the samples from central Italy plot with previous samples from Latium, more interesting to...
  21. None of the 48 Imperial samples is used in this...

    None of the 48 Imperial samples is used in this study, they used just the 6 the found. I can partially understand why they wanted to rely on samples found not in Rome but in Tuscany in order to speak...
  22. Deleted: slow internet connection, it showed that...

    Deleted: slow internet connection, it showed that the editings were successful after a while.
  23. I doubt the Sicilian samples in G25 are even...

    I doubt the Sicilian samples in G25 are even remotely reliable.
    However, by using Etruscan and Levant Beirut Hellenistic on G25 as source populations and I've obtained very similar results to those...
  24. It is not "unreasonable" to speculate but this...

    It is not "unreasonable" to speculate but this theory has its flaws:
    1) it might not be a "sensible topic", but ancient Greeks were vehemently xenophobic and racist ("race" meant as any assigned...
  25. A few remarks: 1)We don't know what is the...

    A few remarks:

    1)We don't know what is the genetic make up of the C5 cluster: when only Antonio 2019 came out, it was everybody's guess if they were the result of massive mixing between various...
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