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    Its always good to give a few hundred years...

    Its always good to give a few hundred years leeway for this kind of thing because

    1. Old written history is not always accurate
    2. It has been carried to the modern age innacurately
    3....
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    I've been responding to your post #15. The...

    I've been responding to your post #15.

    The i2a branch that is common in south slavs today has not been found in balkans pre 600 AD
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    Read up on the subclades before talking nonsense ...

    Read up on the subclades before talking nonsense
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#I2a1b
    Zero i2a1b2 in balkans, it is recent 600AD+
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    You only have to look at your ancestors to see...

    You only have to look at your ancestors to see the strong similarities
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    Using that I found nothing in balkans...

    Using that I found nothing in balkans 2000BC-500AD

    Only i2a2 will you find there
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    You must be mixing up with i2a2 there is no...

    You must be mixing up with i2a2 there is no ancient i2a1b in balkans it came from Russia/East Europe around 6th century AD.
    Show me instances to prove otherwise
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    So wrong, autosomnal dna is diluted. Most...

    So wrong, autosomnal dna is diluted. Most important dna is y dna from your grandfather as usually men tend to look like their grandfather and for women it's mtdna but again look at recent ancestors...
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    Zero ancient i2a-din has been found in balkans,...

    Zero ancient i2a-din has been found in balkans, it was likely in East Europe/South Russia at the time and moved to balkans in middle ages
  9. E-M34 has nothing to do with Albanians, there are...

    E-M34 has nothing to do with Albanians, there are only 12 people with it out of 1000+ tested, that means roughly 1% - it is more common in other places in balkans like Greece, Bulgaria or Serbia -...
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    G2 in ancient illyria? Do you have a link? As...

    G2 in ancient illyria? Do you have a link?
    As far as I know j2b l283 and r1b z2103 have been found in illyrian period/area
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    Poll: How do we explain the elavated g2 levels in South...

    How do we explain the elavated g2 levels in South Italy/Greece/Turkey compared to other regions? Is it possible ancient greeks carried g2 alongside j2a? G2 looks to be wiped out in most of Europe but...
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    Poll: An unlikely theory - Ancient Greece being an...

    An unlikely theory -

    Ancient Greece being an old civilisation may have had contact from cucuteni or vinca people, they may have carried this branch of proto i2a-din. Some experts expect i2a to...
  13. @illyri I agree with most of your points...

    @illyri
    I agree with most of your points however,

    You mention that many died so couldn't pass on their y dna but others were luckier without maybe not doing much. This is not relevant because...
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    If you look at St Nicholas (a Greek) born in...

    If you look at St Nicholas (a Greek) born in 270AD
    https://youtu.be/KZ5smDu99Aw

    He is now believed to have been very dark tonned and goes in line with what experts on here are saying about...
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    Which subclade of R1b did you get? I don't know...

    Which subclade of R1b did you get? I don't know much about pelasgians but from what I have been told here ancient greeks were dark tonned and mostly carried j2a (and likely g2)
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    G2a is quite relevant in middle/south italy too...

    G2a is quite relevant in middle/south italy too so it could be either Greek or Roman. What subclade did you get?
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    Isn't phoenician more likely than etruscan?

    Isn't phoenician more likely than etruscan?
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    Which y dna have you found in your family so far?...

    Which y dna have you found in your family so far?

    Greeks have plenty of Slavic and Albanian y dna and some Ostrogothic which may bring lighter features because according to most people on here...
  19. Yes, I don't have enough data (from different...

    Yes, I don't have enough data (from different regions of balkans) on subclades to make better statements

    Ancestors not being successful in passing their y dna is the natural flow of life, it means...
  20. Very interesting, Dardanian vs Bastarnae war...

    Very interesting, Dardanian vs Bastarnae war sounds cool

    Whichever groups lived in the regions where proto South slavs came from, they cannot be strong on r1b - most r1b in south slavs was...
  21. Great stuff, thanks Looking at these figures...

    Great stuff, thanks

    Looking at these figures it is possible to say that south slavic migrants mainly carried i2a p37 and 20%+ r1a z280 alongside some minor other r1a

    If Bulgarians carry more...
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    Poll: The results on there aren't accurate, it is...

    The results on there aren't accurate, it is skewed due to lack of data. Surely there is a database of Greek dna somewhere on the internet

    Why is the German clearly accurate? It is true that they...
  23. What history does this northern R1a have with...

    What history does this northern R1a have with Bulgaria? How is it to have bypassed all the Serbs and made its way to Bulgaria? Surely must be pre south slavic migration group
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    Poll: Do you have a database of Greek dna I can look at...

    Do you have a database of Greek dna I can look at because have been told that i2a din is actually more than 10% in Greece without including Y18331

    I know the painting isn't from Greece, it's a...
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    Poll: Some "written" history on south slavs in Greece...

    Some "written" history on south slavs in Greece which may (at least partially) explain why so much i2a-din in Greece -

    "Byzantine literary accounts (i.e., John of Ephesus, etc.) mention the Slavs...
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