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    interesting ty

    interesting ty
  2. Angela yes, Cillian Murphy is another...

    Angela



    yes, Cillian Murphy is another example

    http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article11256820.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/JS88492176.jpg

    it's interesting as to me it looks kinda...
  3. Tomenable The recent paper about the UK...

    Tomenable



    The recent paper about the UK said lighter skin had been positively selected for.

    If so it might be the case that x% of pigmentation genes arrived in different parts of Europe and...
  4. I think the depigmentation genes came from both...

    I think the depigmentation genes came from both the north and the EEF with (imo) the EEF originally getting it from the north before they expanded into Europe (via a CHG-like intermediary...
  5. SLC24A5 is the one that is very widespread - even...

    SLC24A5 is the one that is very widespread - even pushing into India and Africa - so presumably it has a beneficial effect in addition to the high latitude benefit (whatever it is)
    ...
  6. Personally I think a lot of the J will turn out...

    Personally I think a lot of the J will turn out to have come as farmers from somewhere near the Caspian and moved into both SE Europe and the middle east. The Phoenicians may have added another layer...
  7. the reality is complicated - simplifying helps...

    the reality is complicated - simplifying helps people understand.
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    I tend to agree with the stelae map linked by...

    I tend to agree with the stelae map linked by Angela although I wonder if there were three routes to the west from the original source
    1) maritime to iberia
    2) danubian to rhine mouth
    3) north of...
  9. @holderlin Artisans from the Kargaly...

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    Artisans from the Kargaly copper field looking for sources of copper elsewhere imo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargaly

    I used to think it was the other way round - south...
  10. or warmth?

    or warmth?
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    My guess is there were two waves from the same...

    My guess is there were two waves from the same source but they took different routes and mixed with different people along the way so look different.
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    My bold. Something that just struck me reading...

    My bold.

    Something that just struck me reading this is what if Neanderthal DNA didn't drop because it sucked (or because of problems related to birth). What if there were just a lot fewer of them...
  13. @Maciamo The model i have in my head is...

    @Maciamo



    The model i have in my head is multiple farmer groups in the region expanding out from their start point until they bump into each other and with none stronger than the others they...
  14. It's got quite confusing recently but I think the...

    It's got quite confusing recently but I think the current state of play is:

    EEF does mean that however currently it appears there may have been more than one source of farmers and what were...
  15. There were (are?) Khoisan-like people in Namibia...

    There were (are?) Khoisan-like people in Namibia IIRC so one possibility is slaves taken from there combined with slaves taken from Europe.

    Another is some isolated group of Khoisan-like people...
  16. @Angela I was thinking they might mean...

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    I was thinking they might mean Khoisan-like - which could potentially make this quite a thing.

    If so it might mean Khoisan-like populations extended all the way to north Africa...
  17. Yes if the correlation (ydna I and mountains)...

    Yes if the correlation (ydna I and mountains) exists it could be the other way round.
  18. Yes. It struck me some time ago if you subtracted...

    Yes. It struck me some time ago if you subtracted the ydna I1 that is thought to have been carried along with the Germanic expansion then what you have left correlates quite strongly with mountainous...
  19. @Angela When I read about the Anatolian IE...

    @Angela



    When I read about the Anatolian IE the consensus idea seemed to be they didn't conquer but arrived for some reason and then gradually took over from the inside.

    To me that sounds...
  20. true enough

    true enough
  21. If the R1b in modern Europeans did start on the...

    If the R1b in modern Europeans did start on the steppe then it seems they must have expanded first and were then displaced on the steppe by the R1a expansion.
  22. Speculating if ydna I - was associated with...

    Speculating

    if ydna I
    - was associated with mountainous regions for some reason
    - in the metal ages, miners and metal workers moved to those mountainous areas looking for ore
    that might have...
  23. yes, could well be nonsense - although "semi-arid...

    yes, could well be nonsense - although "semi-arid temperate woodland or scrub" sounds kind of goaty
  24. The two points that strike me are 1) either...

    The two points that strike me are

    1) either farming spread between the east/west parts of this region without gene flow or there were at least two groups who developed farming independently

    2)...
  25. I think recent history has shown nomadic or...

    I think recent history has shown nomadic or semi-nomadic HGs don't take to farming that well but maybe there's a difference between those and HGs who are already sedentary?

    Turn it the other way...
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