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Perhaps you're right. It's just my opinion that Mongols had a bigger hill to climb. Either way it's such a minuscule point that I don't see a need for argument. Thanks for the links I'll definitely...

Mongols did it on horses. Gunpowder and shipbuilding just changed the scale of the game really. But balance of power was far more even for the mongols who had to face dozens of nations with similar...

Discriminating on genetic basis is straight up idiocy. But what goes for "ethnocentrism" today is imo laughable. I think the whole point of a country is for your group of people to have a home in...

This is such a woeful topic. The question itself has negative undertone, it's simplistic and dismissive. "Our culture is not perfect but it is superior to others" First of all If I was Greek I'd...

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Laz are in fact Kartvelian a.k.a Georgian.

Eh, So I read almost the entire thread and not a word about Proto-Kartvelian peoples... Has there been any meaningful research done about them? Every time I read a new research about Caucasus it...

Yes in general that's true. Not really for Georgia though. The traditional dances and songs are taken extremely seriously here, you can't just name any dance Adjaruli, you can change the combination...

You guys don't have too many Caucasian DNA hobbyists eh ? Well here it is.



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7. Eneolithic Maykop Caucasus (3670 BC) 8.735

I see the similarities. the moves seem similar but the dance has different emphasis and character. Different evolution of the same traditions ? possibly. I was just speculating on where all those...

This is a pure speculation on my part but it could be that mtDnas were spread in clusters rather than evenly across large territories. Those that lived in more densely populated areas or closer to...

As I said, Some mtDNAs that were associated with the farmers also declined, others didn't. Could be a million reasons.

This group is so rare, But it does have some presence in Caucasus. Really wonder what the story is with it, seems to have been far more prominent during the neolithic in Europe. Probably spread with...

Sumerian history is fascinating. I was wondering if in future it would be possible to reconstruct some of the ancient cities in VR so we can actually explore it.

Well description of my mtDNA I says it accompanied EEF and also declined with it so yes.

I did read in some other research that MtDNA I was one of the groups accompanying G2a spread in Europe...

Gutian sounds like Gudian which in Kartvelian folklore are ugly men that kidnap children. Mothers scare their kids with Gudians in order to make them behave.


Wow I didn't realize how many...

Muskhi are Meskhetians, the Tribe that founded Mtskheta. They were Kartvelians. So if we're arguing that eastern Mushki were Armenians then that means Armenians were just a Kartvelian tribe that was...

Carlos you are observant but at the same time a bit misinformed. The history of people confused by similarity between Kartvelians and Iberians go back thousands of years. Romans also named...

My best guess is some sort of plague with the spread of new populations from the east and increase in trade.

Nothing can be said definitively but Caucasus also seems to have plenty of GM406. Unfortunately the region is barely researched with very few actual samples. 13th and 14th century was also a time of...

Actually I'm from Georgia and I also got Italy and Greece so don't worry about it. Companies seem to be very bad at reading our regions DNA.

"Skeptical Face" There's nothing more sacred than Cheese and Wine in my neck of the woods but we still aint as tall as the Dutch..


Although that could be because of Soviet and Russian empire...

Yaay another point for team G2a! :)

We tend to keep to ourselves, if you met me on the street you'd never know I wasn't a New Yorker, but every day when I walk around Manhattan I hear someone pass by speaking Georgian so we're not that...

There's more than a hundred thousand of us around northeast US. One of the biggest Georgian diasporas is around New York. heck go to Brooklyn or Queens and you'll see ton of Georgian bakeries and...