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    I'm not sure why the V13 is so shocking, the...

    I'm not sure why the V13 is so shocking, the Goths spent a lot of time in the Balkans, first in Dacia, later also in the Western Balkans. Evidently they assimilated portions of the local population...
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    Nevermind this.

    Nevermind this.
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    Well deeper down there is a good case for the...

    Well deeper down there is a good case for the DE-split happening in Asia, and E actually migrating back to Africa, as D is only found in Asia. But that discussion is about a split that happened over...
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    This seems rather odd. V13 was first discovered...

    This seems rather odd. V13 was first discovered in 2006, and corresponded to an STR-pattern first identified in 2004. This is the paper where V13 was first identified:...
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    Eastara, I don't immediatly find a BY400 marker,...

    Eastara, I don't immediatly find a BY400 marker, can you check which group they are exactly?
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    Sadly, no NGS. But I have to correct myself as...

    Sadly, no NGS. But I have to correct myself as the study will in fact have data from Greece, Sicily and Southern Italy also. After this study was published:...
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    Thanks drroots. If you read the document linked...

    Thanks drroots. If you read the document linked in my previous post you will see I assume the Spanish V13 belonged to a sidebranch of V13 upstream of CTS5856 (or rather Z1057), which in all...
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    I see I'm quoted a few times in this thread. I'm...

    I see I'm quoted a few times in this thread. I'm happy there's such a big interest in V13! I would say at this point that the origins of V13 and CTS5856 are very likely in Southern Balkans, but...
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    Tomorrow we'll be launching a new V13-SNP pack at...

    Tomorrow we'll be launching a new V13-SNP pack at FTDNA. I updated and extended my previous text on CTS5856 for the occasion. The result is longer and can be read here:
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  10. The cardial V13 doesn't fit well in our current...

    The cardial V13 doesn't fit well in our current understanding of this group. But the facts are the facts: this sample was tested for the V13 SNP and was positive, so the STR-values are of no...
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    Interesting view. I can add that the last months...

    Interesting view. I can add that the last months have given a lot of new information about V13, without necessarily clarifying the picture. We discovered that a number of tribes in Northern Albania...
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    I don't think he is commenting on DNA issues. His...

    I don't think he is commenting on DNA issues. His theory was that at least the central european BB had a Yamnaya origin. The older dates found for Iberian BB put that in question, since they suggest...
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    Nothing lower than Z590 was tested, unfortunately.

    Nothing lower than Z590 was tested, unfortunately.
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    I previously posted about V13/CTS5856...

    I previously posted about V13/CTS5856. Since then I've used the Genographic project samples to look deeper in the distribution of V13/CTS5856. The analysis of that group is too specific for this...
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    Nothing lower than Z467 was tested.

    Nothing lower than Z467 was tested.
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    Yes, CTS9219, my mistake. Nothing lower than this...

    Yes, CTS9219, my mistake. Nothing lower than this was tested. I can add that 2 samples were PF7580+, which might serve as a proxy for L584 as it is not a lot lower, compared to 15 CTS7822+.
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    It's mainly because of the distribution of...

    It's mainly because of the distribution of J2-M172 (maybe they are not related at all). I have no idea why it's high in Arcadia.
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    About 10% of the detailed J2a group was Z467+. 2...

    About 10% of the detailed J2a group was Z467+. 2 samples from Cyprus, 1 from Asia minor and1 from Lesbos,no mainland, but this is a very small group offcourse.
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    As I see they are very diverse with no clear...

    As I see they are very diverse with no clear preference for certain subclades.
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    In the more detailed samples there were 69 J2, 53...

    In the more detailed samples there were 69 J2, 53 (77%) are J2a. Under J2b there is one J2b* from Asia minor, 2 Z1825/Z575+, L283/Z588-, 11 L283/Z588+ (mostly from Arcadia and Thessaly) and 2...
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    I think genetics probably supports most theories....

    I think genetics probably supports most theories. What I mean by that: if you would be of the opinion that Greek has an Anatolian origin and was brought along by the first farmers (a popular theory...
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    I checked the breakdown of P37 in the detailed...

    I checked the breakdown of P37 in the detailed samples, there are only 2 P37xL621 (presumably neolithic), and they are both from the Ionian Islands (compared to 27 F3145's). There are also multiple...
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    Another small observation: supposedly the...

    Another small observation: supposedly the language spoken in Arcadia in classical times was closest to the Greek spoken on Cyprus. From the genographic samples it seems the both do share a more...
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    I previously posted about V13/CTS5856...

    I previously posted about V13/CTS5856. Since then I've used the Genographic project samples to look deeper in the distribution of V13/CTS5856. The analysis of that group is too specific for this...
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    He did test for N-TAT, leaving at least the four...

    He did test for N-TAT, leaving at least the four possibilities I listed for N. As far as I see none of the 13 SNP's he tested belonged to L or T.
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