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    What are wrote are historical facts. What are...

    What are wrote are historical facts.
    What are you saying? That the barbaric animals that routinely abducted women and children for sex purposes,skinned the prisoners of war alive, institutionalize...
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    More histrionics.

    More histrionics.
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    The slave Soldiers corps of the Ottoman empire is...

    The slave Soldiers corps of the Ottoman empire is a undeniable historical fact, that's what Mamelukes literary means. That they came primarily from balkanic Christians is also an undeniable fact....
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    Another emotional out burst from our friend. I...

    Another emotional out burst from our friend.
    I predict another one buddy brace your self.

    Ottoman census 1897 of vilayet of Janina : Albanians 250 000
    Estimation of vilayet of Scutari : 200...
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    Albanian population, the whole of it, wasnt more...

    Albanian population, the whole of it, wasnt more than 200 000 by the 1800. That's based on the censuses the Pashaliks did. Albanians reporting on the Albanian numbers.
    Modern Albanians is to a great...
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    [QUOTE=Kelmendasi;587470]I don't understand why...

    All The South Slavs sub groups and Balkan groups have different ratios of R1a to I2, even those in very close proximity.
    They ranges are from 1 to 9 and 1 to 7 to 3 to 1!
    How does that...
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    Jesus Guy! Listen ALBanac of the internet...

    Jesus Guy!
    Listen ALBanac of the internet studies, let me give you an advice, You are too emotional. So much passion cause your narrative is challenged? As if you are serving an agenda.
    Then ...
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    Listen Albanian ..Abraham,Slavs came from Ukraine...

    Listen Albanian ..Abraham,Slavs came from Ukraine as tribes not isolates, pushed by population movements.
    So their profile must be the same as the profile of people of central west Ukraine. The...
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    Yes it was debunked from the Albanian scientist...

    Yes it was debunked from the Albanian scientist ''MArko'' with PhDs in forum diatribes from UC Tropuja.
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    Why dont you point me out to the scientific...

    Why dont you point me out to the scientific papers that claim that :
    a) that I2 and R1a found in Greece are of those clades, and how you compute them to be..40
    %, when the entire R1a and I2 in...
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    I would say more likely it is a certainty. I2...

    I would say more likely it is a certainty.
    I2 is 30 000 year old, and it was the dominant yDNa linage in the Balkans and all the way to the Ukrainian steppes.
    E-v13 for comparison is half of that...
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    What's ''slavic y-dna'' Tells us so we can...

    What's ''slavic y-dna''
    Tells us so we can laugh all together.
    Then tell us what is greek y dna so we can laugh even harder with the necessary complications of it.
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    Yes you will find plenty of j2 and e-v13 in...

    Yes you will find plenty of j2 and e-v13 in Russians and Poles like in Bulgarians and Skopians
    What no?
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    that's true.present day Albania and Kosovo...

    that's true.present day Albania and Kosovo couldn't have had more than 100 000 people circa 1500s after the ottoman conquest and the blood path that followed.
    100 000 being very very generous as...
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    they are as all lower Balkan Slavs are. A mixture...

    they are as all lower Balkan Slavs are. A mixture of Slavic and pre-Slavic populations in the analogies you would expect them. Mainly of local admixture with a minority % of genetic admixture from...
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    Never underestimate the impact of the barbarism...

    Never underestimate the impact of the barbarism of Ottomans. You should read some records about how they treated Venician prisoners after the fall of Cypriot and Cretan cities.
    Here is a taste from...
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    You are an amusing fella with your out of the...

    You are an amusing fella with your out of the world theories, but you should complain to your great great grandfathers about it, that converted to Turks' religion and culture at the first sight of...
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    >Sami bey Frashëri >Most important scholar ...

    >Sami bey Frashëri
    >Most important scholar

    If we go by what travelers with bias reported then we wouldn't hear the end of it.
    But we can use as reference the highly biased (against Greek and...
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    Yes it would make you a partly descendant of...

    Yes it would make you a partly descendant of Muslims of Peloponnese, who were a small percentage but they still were at one point tens of thousands in a general population of half a million.
    When in...
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    Karaiskakis was in the service of Ali pasha. So...

    Karaiskakis was in the service of Ali pasha. So were many many others, Panourgias, Palaskas, Diakos, Androutsos, etc Almost all of the Greek revolutionary leaders were ARmatoloi(armed groups payed...
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    Suliotes were -allied- tributaries in exchange...

    Suliotes were -allied- tributaries in exchange for peace to Ali Pasha at one point.
    But eliminating them was always in the back of his mind as they were a small independent army in his back yard.
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    Dear friend Gianni, that's a nice and comforting ...

    Dear friend Gianni, that's a nice and comforting story you are developing there, but i would suggest to see the cold reality as it is and not buy into (your own)fantasy.
    Arvanites no longer speak...
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    Theodore Kolokotronis's( leader of the greek...

    Theodore Kolokotronis's( leader of the greek revolution) Father wiped out tens of thousand of Turkoalbanians in Peloponnese.
    His son though spared a lot of them, whom he allowed to leave with their...
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    He is correct in what he wrote. Arvanites truly...

    He is correct in what he wrote. Arvanites truly hated Albanians(albanian meant a synonim for turkoalbanians) and never missed a chance to show it in the last 200 years.
    As he mentioned it was a...
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    None knows their origins, but what we do know...

    None knows their origins, but what we do know from their legends is that they were refugees fleeing a slaughter from Turks and Cam Muslims after the failure of a revolt against the Turks in...
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