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    What other samples are mentioned/rumoured in the...

    What other samples are mentioned/rumoured in the albanian paper?
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    Im not the one claiming a heavily celtic mixed...

    Im not the one claiming a heavily celtic mixed ancient dna from slovenia is illyrian. You need to chill and wait for more adna before making rash "confirmations"

    Haha and now you try to make...
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    If you mean i2a din, yes it peaks in bosnia but...

    If you mean i2a din, yes it peaks in bosnia but around 40% not 50%. It doesnt explain why j2b l283 is near no existant in montenegro

    Meanwhile both countries have a bit more r1b z2103 -...
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    No no no, you need to understand that celts...

    No no no, you need to understand that celts played a big role in urnfield dating back to 1300bc. Urnfield covered all of slovenia and much of croatia, most of italy, france etc. It is easy to find...
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    But it hasnt overwhelmingly pointed to that yet -...

    But it hasnt overwhelmingly pointed to that yet - i also cant wait until it pops up in those regions too alongside other lines

    J2b l283 is almost non existant in bosnia and montenegro - that...
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    Please give me a full list of ancient j2b l283,...

    Please give me a full list of ancient j2b l283, would be great if there was a website to keep track of it - do we have the year on the albanian sample yet?

    The j2b l283 found in slovenia was...
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    I dont know, looking at the urnfield map - it...

    I dont know, looking at the urnfield map - it looks quite clear to me where the illyrians were as it doesnt differ too much with post urnfield - why did urnfield allow for such mass of land in...
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    Novo mesto wasnt an illyrian hub though as it is...

    Novo mesto wasnt an illyrian hub though as it is in slovenia - novo mesto would have been overrun by celts since tumulus culture and definitely during urnfield. It was already destroyed and conquered...
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    Which iron age illyrians? Thracians and illyrians...

    Which iron age illyrians? Thracians and illyrians emerged from a close region and it is possible that they carried similar bronze age lines before expanding. Z2103 has already been found in early...
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    Double post - delete

    Double post - delete
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    I am not talking about illyria proper, i am...

    I am not talking about illyria proper, i am talking about unmixed illyrians. Ancient croatia/slovenia is where celts pushed their culture

    Yeah sure, illyrians were wiped out somehow in 314bc yet...
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    A lot happened between early bronze age to...

    A lot happened between early bronze age to antiquity in that region. Dalmatia was part of cetina which practised inhumation, then it became part of the tumulus sphere and then urnfield - any...
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    Anything is possible since we dont have adna at...

    Anything is possible since we dont have adna at hand. It could be that j2b l283 was never a popular line in western balkans and went through expansion more recently in small pockets. The lack of j2b...
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    Until we get samples from illyria proper we will...

    Until we get samples from illyria proper we will keep going around in circles in regards to the lines they carried - we need samples from bosnia-albania region

    The j2b l283 found in slovenia was...
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    Their steles showed myceanean/ancient greek...

    Their steles showed myceanean/ancient greek cultural influence...

    "The stele of warriors often have processions of chariots or fight scenes, which were interpreted as funeral games in honor of the...
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    "Towards the late Bronze Age (11th-10th centuries...

    "Towards the late Bronze Age (11th-10th centuries BC), Illyrian populations from the eastern Adriatic arrived in Apulia.[4] The Illyrians in Italy, united with the pre-existing people and groups from...
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    Difficult to link t1a with illyrians, the spread...

    Difficult to link t1a with illyrians, the spread doesnt seem to suggest it. Like salento mentioned t1a is linked to latin people, though etruscan may be possible? T1a doesnt seem like an indo...
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    This means that most T1a found in england now was...

    This means that most T1a found in england now was likely from roman settlement, though it is still rare

    According to torzio T was near Rome prior to Roman empire. So it would have been assimilated...
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    Wow thats nice, ardea were basically in rome...

    Wow thats nice, ardea were basically in rome before rome existed? It makes sense why T isnt rare in italy unlike rest of europe, seems to have a hotspot in and around rome
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    Anyone been able to figure out cts933 yet? Also...

    Anyone been able to figure out cts933 yet? Also any progress on who carried T1 lines in europe or were they just slaves in the roman empire from middle east?
  21. Well those are population replacements...it is...

    Well those are population replacements...it is not possible to completely replace the population in a region as huge as turkey. Prior to ottoman occupation the region was highly contested by various...
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    Macedonia didnt exist at 1200bc - at least not as...

    Macedonia didnt exist at 1200bc - at least not as an ethnic group. Dorian movements seem to line up with that of the illyrians who also crossed the sea to italy
  23. What are you on about, turkey has had plenty of...

    What are you on about, turkey has had plenty of population replacement
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    From studies ive seen on romanians they always...

    From studies ive seen on romanians they always seem to mention below 10% v13 and without deep testing whos to say these arent related to romans since romanians also carry some j2a and r1b.

    If...
  25. The z2103 is mostly armenian Anyway, looks...

    The z2103 is mostly armenian

    Anyway, looks like turkey has very low v13, j2b l283, i2a p37 and other balkan lines. I would say majority of it is recent from ottoman as they took young males from...
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