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    Never said that Neolithics in Greece had light...

    Never said that Neolithics in Greece had light hair, light eyes I realize the consensus is that they were dark haired/dark eyed but do we really know what they looked like? it's all based on...
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    Im G2A paternally. My G2A line has been in Greece...

    Im G2A paternally. My G2A line has been in Greece prior to Byzantines (I've traced my family history in the Peloponnese) and we're in an isolated mountainous region of mainland Greece. G2A is linked...
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    First of all I'm not a big fan of phenotypic...

    First of all I'm not a big fan of phenotypic analysis because it's so subjective and can be absurd at times but physiognomy within the Greek population varies drastically. "Greek" is and has always...
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    The only Greek populations close to Middle...

    The only Greek populations close to Middle Easterners are those in Anatolia and Caucasus regions. It's Greek as a cultural identity although there is evidence that those same populations have shared...
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    My maternal grandmother was Tsakonian from a...

    My maternal grandmother was Tsakonian from a village near Leonidion in the Parnon Mountains (Paleohori).
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    My grandmother was Tsakonian

    My grandmother was Tsakonian
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    Yeah it's fun and everything but their modern pop...

    Yeah it's fun and everything but their modern pop averages are inaccurate (at least in my case) and haven't been updated recently. There's no real genetic/historical explanation of specific ancient...
  8. I really question the authenticity of the...

    I really question the authenticity of the Mytrueancestry site. I'm not sure I'd make much of these results.
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    7.36650528I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete...

    7.36650528I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    10.26614826I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
    12.85325640I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese...
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    I've also wondered what was Greece like before...

    I've also wondered what was Greece like before the Neolithic Expansion? Where's the data on this. Was no one living in what is now called Greece prior to the arrival of ENF?
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    Yes from all accounts and results I’ve seen...

    Yes from all accounts and results I’ve seen that’s true. Deep Mani was essentially impenetrable to post 6th C Slav incursion and the Slavs (Melengi) were situated in the more accessible regions of...
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    8.10124682I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete...

    8.10124682I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    11.23290701I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
    12.00656071I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese...
  13. SI 53 does seem to have high West Asian and low...

    SI 53 does seem to have high West Asian and low Red Sea so if we're ruling out a Southern Italian or Greek then could we be looking at someone of mixed Euro/Caucasus heritage rather than Lebanese.
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    Wow guess that map confirms the Albanian...

    Wow guess that map confirms the Albanian connection.My maternal grandfather was from Aetos Messinia and his father was the mayor in the late 1800’s. No family member ever mentioned this to me.
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    I agree. I believe a portion of the Arvanite or...

    I agree. I believe a portion of the Arvanite or Greek Albanian population fully assimilated and really never considered themselves distinct. I do believe based on recent 23 and Me results as well as...
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    The G25 Peloponnesian sample is pretty South...

    The G25 Peloponnesian sample is pretty South shifted compared to the Gedmatch Peloponnesian samples.
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    No Peloponnese in this breakdown: K 13 1...

    No Peloponnese in this breakdown:

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    My experience as an observer of various models,...

    My experience as an observer of various models, calculators, etc. is that modern Peloponnesians vary from the more NW shifted (close to Albania, West Greek Macedonia, Thessaly, Central Italy) to more...
  19. Poll: G2A2A 6'5" but I believe I get my height from my...

    G2A2A 6'5" but I believe I get my height from my maternal side.
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    Venetians and Franks in particular.

    Venetians and Franks in particular.
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    We've established that our paternal line has been...

    We've established that our paternal line has been in Messinia for (at least) the last 500 years. There are two options garnered from personal research and historical analysis; 1) This line has been...
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    My paternal haplogroup is G2a2a

    My paternal haplogroup is G2a2a
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    Because I know my lineage very well. I'm 60 years...

    Because I know my lineage very well. I'm 60 years old, my parents were born in the US in 1918 (Father), and 1923 (mother). I met my grandparents and have been to all of their villages over four times...
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    I agree 100% with you. Everyone acts like the G25...

    I agree 100% with you. Everyone acts like the G25 is godsend compared to the other "old/antiquated" gedmatch calculators but to me it seems to have some "holes" with modern populations. It's seems to...
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    I've asked several people about the Peloponnesian...

    I've asked several people about the Peloponnesian samples used on G25 and most responses are vague. Yeah we really don't even know where they come from and if they're truly indigenous to the region...
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