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  1. I have always believed Calabrese were "enriched"...

    I have always believed Calabrese were "enriched" with ancient Greek ancestry, aside from the fact the region was more largely in the hand of the Greeks but also because even it's cities were not...
  2. I have previously assumed a 15% to 20% of Greek...

    I have previously assumed a 15% to 20% of Greek impact in Apulia simply as a guess, I suppose maybe I am lowering it.

    Again all my assumptions are done based on papers and historical data. I...
  3. Italian wiki regarding Magna Grecia has the best...

    Italian wiki regarding Magna Grecia has the best informative page (way better than the English one):
    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Grecia

    Apulia had 3 Greek cities compared to numerous...
  4. @Angela, Look at this map. The amount of Greek...

    @Angela,
    Look at this map. The amount of Greek colonies in this map compared to many others is smaller, but I am not really sure if some of the cities were neglected by the author or all of them...
  5. Aspar has the right idea. I don't know why are...

    Aspar has the right idea. I don't know why are they so desperate to turn this into a Greek thing. How do they know those "hellenized" Middle Easterns spoke Greek? And if they did most of them did...
  6. I was assuming a similar case as in Tuscany, I am...

    I was assuming a similar case as in Tuscany, I am not sure, but I believe it was like that.

    Apulian samples from pre-Roman Imperial era seem mostly untouched by Greeks in the pervious study,...
  7. Yup Magna Grecia peaked in Classical Period, and...

    Yup Magna Grecia peaked in Classical Period, and it had a dramatic fall during the Hellenistic period, where Archimedes was killed. Many Greek cities faced genocide by Carthaginians and Romans. Why...
  8. There were Samnites and Lucanians in Campania....

    There were Samnites and Lucanians in Campania. Estrucans were not Italics either. I believe you. It's just that we don't know the details yet, who those Southern Italians were.
    That would make...
  9. Yeah but the point I was trying to make is that...

    Yeah but the point I was trying to make is that this ancestry hit a good part of Italy the same. As you mentioned Italy is genetically cline. If it was essentially Greek we would see a massive...
  10. The East-Med pull seem to be essentially Middle...

    The East-Med pull seem to be essentially Middle Eastern and Northern African influenced not Greek (expect in Calabria and Sicily). There is a reason why Abruzzes plot really close to other southern...
  11. I meant "strange" to model them genetically, it's...

    I meant "strange" to model them genetically, it's hard to comprehend what is happening genetically.
    I should've used a better word.
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    There are some Asiatic haplogroups in Europe with...

    There are some Asiatic haplogroups in Europe with negligible percentages <1%, given were are in the time of globalization those numbers might increase I would say this "X" clade came during the...
  13. I am gonna do the math now. If there was a 39%...

    I am gonna do the math now.
    If there was a 39% East Med/Near Eastern contribution onto Tuscany during the Antiquity and later in Late Antiquity and the Dark Ages there was 20% Northern European...
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    Now I even doubt E-V13 existed at all among...

    Now I even doubt E-V13 existed at all among Classical Age Peloponnesians. Let's wait and see.
    There is something strange with Peloponnesians being so northern shifted and close to Greek...
  15. Early Medieval Tuscans plot with Marche Italians...

    Early Medieval Tuscans plot with Marche Italians based on my eye and late antiquity Tuscans plot with Abruzzes. Pretty much 8% Germanic impact which is not far off the Y-DNA that Maciamo gave. K12b...
  16. The formation of the "Slavs" occurred in late...

    The formation of the "Slavs" occurred in late antiquity, with a largely Eastern European-like genetically uniform population.

    The original number of the Slavs must've been 100,000-300,000. To say...
  17. I expected Lucanians to plot like Daunians. ...

    I expected Lucanians to plot like Daunians.
    https://i.imgur.com/tARy19H_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
  18. Another Mycenaean-like Classical Greek. :grin:

    Another Mycenaean-like Classical Greek. :grin:
  19. Croats are probably more Slavic than...

    Croats are probably more Slavic than Peloponnesians are Hellenic in terms of their ancient ancestry.
    Croats are pushed roughly 70% towards Poles. The Germanic admixture could've inflated that...
  20. Really they are different from native Apulians?

    Really they are different from native Apulians?
  21. Ingria was not exactly Slavic. In fact "White...

    Ingria was not exactly Slavic. In fact "White Croats" appear in Western Ukraniane.


    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif...
  22. They are pre-Moorish era samples. It seems that...

    They are pre-Moorish era samples. It seems that the Moorish impact was greater in Iberia than in Southern Italy and Sicily.
    How do those samples fit the scenario?
  23. Yeah unfortunately for some, they are not...

    Yeah unfortunately for some, they are not Levanto-Greek East Med ubermenschen 400-BC-400AD Magna Greacian samples. They are from the Dark Ages.
  24. The Venosa samples are medieval samples. Makes...

    The Venosa samples are medieval samples. Makes sense.
  25. So it's out finally!!!!

    So it's out finally!!!!
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