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I completely disagree.

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As I Greek I am really happy for this agreement, that puts finally a full stop to this dispute that started as early as 1991. 27 years we play with names, it had to come to an end.

The identity...

Just saw that.

Ive not said that they should be included. In 1-2 generations they eventually will be.

All I am saying is that when we say "in Nothern Greece this and this bla bla bla" etc we...

I am 100% Cappadocian Greek and can confirm the values that this guy on the link used for Cappadocian Greeks, I score very close to this.

The fact that the first study clusters Cappadocians and...

Some more years in jail because of pocketing peoples money. Big money.

I am opposing the Spanish government too. Not a Rajoy fan, definitely not. I say it out loud, if you like.


No, the...

I've read extensive stuff about Andorra and the eager will for... independence after that.




a) The referendum was illegal and shouldn't have taken place. It's not so easy in a democratic...

Democracy is power of the people.

This referendum, though, was far from any modern democratic procedure, was more like parody. No need to mention why.

As for the police brutalities, please go...

What you did is a personal insult, but I am not willing to discuss it further.

Looks that I have somebody very angry, aggressive and with no clear mind opposite me, so I think it's not worthy to...

I find myself somewhere in the middle of all this.

I am pretty good in reading and spelling names correctly, as well as detecting the ethnic background behind the surname. How will I decide to...

Some days ago, I posted that on FB (I mention that just in case you think that I am referring to you; I am not):
"To all who support the Catalan referendum:

- You know guys that you stand for...

Nobody, but we know that Minoans where quite similar with the Mycenaeans and a little more Southern shifted.

Old Greece, I mean Sterea Ellada. In his case is Fthiotis.

The pigmentation is not...

For all we know, the Mycenaeans were quite similar to the Minoans and this face reconstruction is the best picture we have.
Complexion and hair included.

Don't know where you live and you find...

I second that.

Nobody said that the Mycenaean reconstructed face is the most prevalent look nowydays in Greece. It's not.

But if you see someone like him somewhere in Greece, you don't have...

Χατζηπαναγής (Chatzipanagis), the former footballer of the first picture, was born in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, from GreekCypriot political refugees from Amochostos. So, genetically he is a GreekCypriot...

IMO the key is to define where the Mycenaeans came from.

Can't be that one Greek group came one way and an other one (name it Dorians etc) came from somewhere else. Can't happen.

These groups...

We have no proof that the Dorians we Nothern or Western Greeks. Homer doesn't say so.
What we have is their presence in the Mycenaean Centers after the latter civilization collapsed.
As for the...

True. We don't have anything proven, we just know that the Dorians we of Greek stock, because of the language. Nothing more. We can freely express our suppositions, alongside with some arguments, but...

@ Dianatomia

All these that you describe as facts, are just speculation.

The Dorians were a Greek population. We know nothing more.

I doubt they have been anything northern. But I also...

I really don't understand why - with no facts - we label the Dorians "northern", when we are taking taking about a Greek pop. We simply have no clue, we only know they were Greeks.

Also, check...

I agree with this, even though I have some doubts about the last sentence.
First of all, we know that the Mycenaeans had contacts with the Minoans from their beginning and we also know that the...

The authors don't take that sample seriously because of it's low quality and I think also because of what this admixture shows. Is highly unlikely for an individual at that age to show up like this,...

Well, if I am not mistaken, the sample is around 1340, so definitely preDorian period. The so called "Dorian invasion" (I would suggest that there is just a movement from the periphery of the...

Of course I am using the "steppe" term meaning IE/PIE.

It's possible that these people have nothing to do with the real Steppe at all, they could possibly only share genes with the real Steppe...

You do care about their steppe percentages. And you care a lot! And - to be honest - you've made so far a huge effort to present it bigger than it is, giving it bigger impact than it has.
You also...

You used the worst possible sample.
You used one of the worst possible calculators.
You stated openly, insisting even after the first correction, that she maybe Dorian.
You didn't even bother to...