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  1. PF7589/Z2118 to be more precise. ...

    PF7589/Z2118 to be more precise.

    https://i.imgur.com/pfJIHmw.png

    In any case it's dated 356-96 BCE, it's Hellenistic period, it is not the most appropriate date to draw conclusions concerning...
  2. Table_S1a from sciadv.abi7673_Table_S1.xlsx ...

    Table_S1a from sciadv.abi7673_Table_S1.xlsx

    https://www.science.org/doi/suppl/10.1126/sciadv.abi7673/suppl_file/sciadv.abi7673_Tables_S1_to_S4.zip
  3. Caruso means "boy" in the far southern Italian...

    Caruso means "boy" in the far southern Italian languages (Sicilian, Calabrian...).

    [propr. carusu, originally "shorn": perhaps Lat. cariosus "carious," later "smooth, bald"]
  4. Those are both Latins. This is your original...

    Those are both Latins. This is your original post.




    So, do you agree with me that there is no evidence that R1b-Z2103 has been found in Etruscans?
  5. In fact there isn't, I haven't found it either....

    In fact there isn't, I haven't found it either. If someone can provide us with a source it would be greatly appreciated. I'm serious, can someone point us to exactly which Etruscan and Latin samples...
  6. C'mon, what would be the source? A forum? The...

    C'mon, what would be the source? A forum? The usual Anthrogenica? I remind you that OP is simply a poster and that the most incorrect interpretations about the Etruscans have been spread on...
  7. Maybe I'm missing something. I checked now in...

    Maybe I'm missing something. I checked now in Table_S1, and the only Z2103 found in the study is from the Imperial era, so R1b-Z2103 has not been found in Etruscans yet.

    I don't remember who and...
  8. These tools should always be taken cum grano...

    These tools should always be taken cum grano salis, a grain of salt. Using the entire G25 datasheet with Vahaduo PCA.

    https://i.imgur.com/yRPJqZS.png

    https://i.imgur.com/jjaDf8S.png
    ...
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    Still unclear because the clades of J2b2-L283...

    Still unclear because the clades of J2b2-L283 found in Nuragic people seem to be different from the one found in the Etruscans that is under northern Balkans samples.
    ...
  10. Because some of them were likely only of partial...

    Because some of them were likely only of partial north African ancestry. One thing that the geneticists seem to ignore is that the Punics that were in Etruria in many cases were of the Sardo-Punic...
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    Seems pretty pseudo-scholarship.

    Seems pretty pseudo-scholarship.
  12. I don't know, but would it change much? I...

    I don't know, but would it change much?



    I was not suggesting that what you claimed was not true. The trajectory looks different, though.
  13. North Africans are in the western side in a PCA,...

    North Africans are in the western side in a PCA, that doesn't look like their trajectory.

    https://i.imgur.com/yLmAKkD.jpg
  14. Yes, and in the Iron Age Iberians (IA_Iberia)...

    Yes, and in the Iron Age Iberians (IA_Iberia) were closer to Basques rather than to Etruscans and Latins.

    https://i.imgur.com/oHaetaC.png
  15. Sticky: I've answered this many times before. According...

    I've answered this many times before. According to CEPH coordinates, North Italian HGDP = Bergamo HGDP (North Italian HGDP and Bergamo HGDP are the same thing, it's a set of 13/14 individuals), and...
  16. These all work together. The difference seems to...

    These all work together. The difference seems to be that in the Etruscan study (and the one on Campania/Magna Grecia) there is a more direct role for Max Planck/Harvard/Tubingen, but not here at...
  17. The uniparental markers. MAS002: Y-DNA...

    The uniparental markers.


    MAS002: Y-DNA R1b1a1b1b (Z2103); mtDNA H74

    Autosomal DNA fits with modern southern Greek Aegean islanders and Sephardic, Romaniote and Italkim Jews (G25, Dodecad...
  18. The opposite of what you state. In any case, it...

    The opposite of what you state. In any case, it is now quite clear that J2b-L283 was not a typical and common Y-DNA in the Etruscans.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/j-l283/
  19. Nuragics have not the same J2b2 as the Etruscan...

    Nuragics have not the same J2b2 as the Etruscan one.
  20. With Modern Greeks ...

    With Modern Greeks

    https://i.imgur.com/pUlShXI.png
  21. I followed your order, Jovialis. I hope I did...

    I followed your order, Jovialis. I hope I did everything right. If not, I'll redo them tomorrow. MAS002 and MAS003 are C.Italy_Imperial_o, the other 4 are C.Italy_Imperial
    ...
  22. Next step are the Sámi people, I suppose....

    Next step are the Sámi people, I suppose. :laughing:

    Modern ethnicities being used as if they were ancestral components plus the usual useless set of 1000 genomes used in hundreds of studies....
  23. Hard to say, urnfielders practiced incineration,...

    Hard to say, urnfielders practiced incineration, there will always be a shortage of data for the final bronze. Although J2b2-L283 seems to have remained a unicum, for me it arrived during the...
  24. I do not know what position ETR016 had but the...

    I do not know what position ETR016 had but the Y-DNA was I1 and mtDNA was R2b.
  25. Guess you're right.

    Guess you're right.
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