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    As a hypothesis this makes sense to me. Steppe IE...

    As a hypothesis this makes sense to me. Steppe IE comes to Balkans, mix with locals, steppe admixture gets diluted, then with minority steppe admixture they move to Anatolia and mix with locals...
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    @epoch That's very interesting. I'm not sure what...

    @epoch That's very interesting. I'm not sure what to think about it though because i don't know enough about the Balkan-West Anatolian interactions except i think there were less plague and...
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    My objections: The location of this sample is...

    My objections:

    The location of this sample is pretty good but it is from 1750–1500 BC. Also given the widespread distribution of Anatolian languages i would expect ~%15-20 steppe admixture...
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    https://abload.de/img/1231312bwkss.png

    https://abload.de/img/1231312bwkss.png
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    How is it there decent steppe ancestry in South...

    How is it there decent steppe ancestry in South Caucasus but nothing in Eastern Anatolia?
  6. I was thinking about ancestry-wise not language.

    I was thinking about ancestry-wise not language.
  7. Maybe Turks are descendants of Seima-Turbino....

    Maybe Turks are descendants of Seima-Turbino. Turkic mythology has a lot of metallurgy in it.
  8. What do you think about this language and its...

    What do you think about this language and its likelihood of being related to Hittite?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elymian_language
  9. Even more complicated if Umbrians etc. cluster...

    Even more complicated if Umbrians etc. cluster with Etruscans. Also afaik Etruscan language came to Italy later than IE? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
  10. To me it looks like both Greeks & Romans were...

    To me it looks like both Greeks & Romans were ancient Mycenaean-like people. (Quite early Eastern immigration to Italy) Etruscans are different, probably usual steppe male (R1b? / eef female mix. I...
  11. - Etruscans from Anatolia theory was likely...

    - Etruscans from Anatolia theory was likely incorrect.
    - If Etruscans are R1b i will start to think that R1b were not the original indo-european speakers at all.
  12. So it looks like Turkic people probably...

    So it looks like Turkic people probably originated as a result of a mix between Eastern European Steppe descendants (minority) and Siberian-like East Eurasians (majority and origin of the Turkic...
  13. Would it be right to say that West Eurasian...

    Would it be right to say that West Eurasian ancestry of proto Turks came from Scythians?
  14. Reading about Hattians, i found this on wiki: ...

    Reading about Hattians, i found this on wiki:

    ''Scholars have long assumed that the predominant population of the region of Anatolia "in the third millennium [BC] was an indigenous...
  15. Scenario would be like; Hattians invade Anatolia,...

    Scenario would be like; Hattians invade Anatolia, pick up the IE language (why?) fragment and distribute it to Anatolia (like Latin->Romance languages) Earlier the language would move to Steppe via...
  16. How is this possible? I read that Hattian...

    How is this possible? I read that Hattian language seems related to Caucasian languages but Hattians are known to be the local population and Hittites are known to be the intruders. In this case...
  17. What i don't understand is if there are already...

    What i don't understand is if there are already IE Anatolian names from Northwest Syria from 2500 BC, then who are the brachycephal invaders of Anatolia from 2000 BC?

    % of brachycephal people went...
  18. Brachycephal invasion of Anatolia and expansion...

    Brachycephal invasion of Anatolia and expansion of Iranian related ancestry to Europe seem sequential?
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    Steppe warriors always beat the farmers, until...

    Steppe warriors always beat the farmers, until the gunpowder. It was a cycle. Even the farmer descendants of Yamnaya later wrecked by Hunnic-Turko/Mongolian steppe warriors.
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    What Y-dna can it be? Except R1a and R1b maybe J2?

    What Y-dna can it be? Except R1a and R1b maybe J2?
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    Catacomb is younger than Yamnaya so it can't be...

    Catacomb is younger than Yamnaya so it can't be the origin of Anatolian languages if European IE's came with Yamnaya descendants.
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    Any reason why V1636 is extremely rare today if...

    Any reason why V1636 is extremely rare today if it brought Anatolian languages? There were multiple different Anatolian languages distributed in a large area. Y-DNA/language expansion seems...
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    I mean you can't be elite from nowhere, there...

    I mean you can't be elite from nowhere, there needs to be some archaeological signs, cultural connections to the Pontic-Caspian if you are part of an elite expansion. (like Sintashta -> Aryan...
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    Yes looks like it won't be an old enough sample...

    Yes looks like it won't be an old enough sample although there is Hajji_Firuz_BA I4243 female with probably around 50% steppe ancestry from 2400-2200 BC. Is there any archaeological sign of an...
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    https://twitter.com/vagheesh/status/11034566643243...

    https://twitter.com/vagheesh/status/1103456664324395008

    Hajji Firuz R1b sample is from Bronze Age. If it is around from 2500 BC this will increase the possibility of steppe origin for Anatolian...
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