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  1. Great! I suppose you're testing the J2b-M12 Panel...

    Great! I suppose you're testing the J2b-M12 Panel at YSEQ. As it stands, you might also end up under J-Y146400. If not, you will be in the J-Y15058 branch aka J-CTS3617, the same as I4331 MBA...
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    Your closest STR match is someone with a Spanish...

    Your closest STR match is someone with a Spanish sounding surname. Forget about fantasizing of Phoenicians, Carthagenians, etc. There is practically zero L283 in those regions. The only L283 cluster...
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    @Wanderer, quite honestly, I'm not even sure...

    @Wanderer, quite honestly, I'm not even sure where to begin to clean up your walls of nonsense, but I will single out a few...



    How hard is it for you to understand that J-Z597 is the ancestor...
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    Yes, in order to make a good argument that these...

    Yes, in order to make a good argument that these Lebanese are of Phoenician origin, the TMRCA amongst themselves should be 3000+ ybp and not only 1900 ypb. Instead, they share that TMRCA with a south...
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    Are you now just straight up lying, or are you...

    Are you now just straight up lying, or are you still having trouble interpreting the YFull tree?
    Look, they split from the Albanian sample 1000 BC (3000 ypb), and not 0 AD:...
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    And what Y-DNA had these 'other' samples around...

    And what Y-DNA had these 'other' samples around him from the same time period? That's right, he was the only one with a Y-DNA haplogroup. Stop spamming this thread with made up stuff!




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    Yes, of course, the Croatian J-L283 kid from 3600...

    Yes, of course, the Croatian J-L283 kid from 3600 ybp was just some isolated Wanderer who came from the Levant or West Asia right at the time he was found. You have it all figured out :laughing:
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    I was trying to help you interpret the YFull...

    I was trying to help you interpret the YFull tree. Instead, it appears you're going back to writing long walls containing imaginary things.

    Do you even see a single North African anywhere within...
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    The TMRCA of J-YP29 is not very precise because...

    The TMRCA of J-YP29 is not very precise because the Sardinian samples are low coverage. I would guess it's at least 3000 ybp. The same situation with J-Z600>YP157. However, we know that J-YP157...
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    Forget about this guy and his imagination. We...

    Forget about this guy and his imagination.

    We might soon have an Albanian sample in the J-YP29 subclade ;)
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    Pretty much agree with the points made in the...

    Pretty much agree with the points made in the above posts.

    He is the same guy who just a few months ago was claiming that J-L283 expanded from Sardinia. Now, he claims it arrived there 1000 BC and...
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    We have around 5 R-PF7562 members with...

    We have around 5 R-PF7562 members with DYS385=12-13, all of whom are Tosks. They seem to form two unrelated branches. One of them actually just received his BigY results today, and he is...
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    It's the one with GATAH4=12 that we discussed...

    It's the one with GATAH4=12 that we discussed some time ago, and that we thought could be some Z17107. As stated, he is positive for three SNPs at YFull's E-Y133830 level, where Bjelopavlici are....
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    I wouldn't expect anything else from zanipolo aka...

    I wouldn't expect anything else from zanipolo aka sile.
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    :laughing: Don't mess with Aspurg : p

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    Don't mess with Aspurg : p
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    If these YFull TMRCA's are anything to go by,...

    If these YFull TMRCA's are anything to go by, IMO, E-CTS9320 is just too young to have been involved in many different Paleo-Balkan ethnicities. So I think in all likelihood it would've either been...
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    He doesn't have the DYS438=11 or DYS439=13....

    He doesn't have the DYS438=11 or DYS439=13. Otherwise, the rest of his STRs are fairly modal. Anyways, we hope to confirm his positioning with SNP testing, as he could be any other E-CTS9320 that has...
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    We just got our very first Albanian from southern...

    We just got our very first Albanian from southern Albania with some of those off modals ;), including DYS389II=29, DYS458=16, DYS447=25, GATAH4=12. This haplotype is consistent with E-CTS9320. As you...
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    I think you might have misunderstood me on this...

    I think you might have misunderstood me on this one. I never tried to "prove" or push for the theory that J-L283 came from the "Steppe", just that it's one of the likelihoods based on the...
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    No, he just uses YFull samples and calculates the...

    No, he just uses YFull samples and calculates the origin as the midway point of parallel clades. (In some haplogroups, like J-L283, he does use aDNA in addition). It's a good program, but I wouldn't...
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    While some Illyrians (perhaps northern ones)...

    While some Illyrians (perhaps northern ones) could have had R-U152, I very much doubt that this would've been among their main haplos. The modern R-U152 clades in NW Balkans could be as a result of...
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    Nicely done, Aspurg!

    Nicely done, Aspurg!
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    I'm starting to think that perhaps J-L283 might...

    I'm starting to think that perhaps J-L283 might be a better fit for the Cetina Culture, or might've been the more common Y-haplogroup, especially since now it has also appeared in LBA Sardinia. (PS....
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    Can you please do the same thing for I4331 from...

    Can you please do the same thing for I4331 from the Genomic History of Southeastern Europe as well?
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    This thread was turning out to be quite...

    This thread was turning out to be quite informative in regards to J-L283 until you started posting this off topic nonsense.

    I would ask a moderator to delete all the posts on this thread from user...
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