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    It can't be true. You're one of us. :) Maybe it...

    It can't be true. You're one of us. :) Maybe it just doesn't work as well for people who aren't as inbred as some of us. :)

    My husband studied the classics in university. He had a great liking for...
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    A lot went to Switzerland, especially the German...

    A lot went to Switzerland, especially the German part of Switzerland, after the war, but most left, partly because things got better at home, but partly because they were treated abominably. As my...
  3. Sorry, I'm with kingjohn on this one. ...

    Sorry, I'm with kingjohn on this one.

    Obsession is the right word. I'm interested in the Indo-Europeans too but, I'm equally interested in the population genetics of other peoples and periods of...
  4. It certainly makes a great story. Two...

    It certainly makes a great story. Two extraordinary men indeed.

    I so wish I could travel again. Aigai would definitely be on my list.
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    Good Grief: Jean Paul Marat??? I would have...

    Good Grief: Jean Paul Marat??? I would have killed him in his bath like Charlotte Corday too. I don't care how intelligent he was; he was a mass murderer, or close to it. Left or right; makes no...
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    If you mean the Veneto, you'd have to ask a...

    If you mean the Veneto, you'd have to ask a Venetian. My "guess" is that they wouldn't give up their "language", as they insist on calling it.

    For Lombardia and Piemonte, I have no idea how it...
  7. Civilized and steppe is a bit of an oxymoron,...

    Civilized and steppe is a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?

    "Civilization" means a very specific thing in the history of the world, which many of the people in this "hobby" seem not to have read...
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    @Duarte, I so wish for your sake there was...

    @Duarte,

    I so wish for your sake there was better news coming out of Brazil.

    I do very much understand that people need to go back to work, and there are also those who have just had enough of...
  9. And huge chunks of Anatolia wound up speaking...

    And huge chunks of Anatolia wound up speaking Anatolian IE languages with the only genetic trace in Anatolia being this small percent of ancestry in one sample? I mean, I know there's not much "Hun"...
  10. Do you have the precise date for this sample...

    Do you have the precise date for this sample quickly to hand?
  11. As I thought; thanks, kingjohn. There's no...

    As I thought; thanks, kingjohn. There's no evidence in any of these new papers for early steppe incursion into the Near East.

    I was thinking of the Balkans route, but that doesn't show up either...
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    I may have given the wrong impression by posting...

    I may have given the wrong impression by posting that diagram of Italy. It very much depends on the area whether the local dialect is used. In the Veneto a LOT of people still speak their own...
  13. I guess my question would be: if you don't know...

    I guess my question would be: if you don't know when certain ancestry entered an area, why would you test it using a modern reference sample which has experienced additional admixture and drift. They...
  14. Do you have a source for that, real expert? ...

    Do you have a source for that, real expert?

    It's a topic which interests me.

    If you do, perhaps you can post it in the appropriate thread.

    I'm going to be discussing the "Tuscan" issue as...
  15. ^^Are you speaking of the R1a1b2 sample? One...

    ^^Are you speaking of the R1a1b2 sample?

    One sample with "maybe" 6-7% "Progress_Steppe" like ancestry imho may not mean very much at the end of the day.

    At that level, it could be "shared"...
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    The Italian language

    I thought I'd start a dedicated thread to it because discussions are buried in multiple threads.

    I'll start off with this one, which is about which region has the most "neutral" or "standard"...
  17. ^^Let's keep the discussion of that paper on the...

    ^^Let's keep the discussion of that paper on the thread for that paper. Otherwise, we'll muddy things up.

    In this paper they're using variously Kenya Early Neolithic, Kenya Iron Age, Tanzania PN,...
  18. I can't believe Reich supervised this. He...

    I can't believe Reich supervised this.

    He should go back to working with Lazaridis and Patterson.
  19. Yes, you were right. It always made more...

    Yes, you were right.

    It always made more sense to me: pastoralism went north-south, J1 went north-south. Why would language have the opposite trajectory?

    Well, well, perhaps another one where...
  20. It's SSA. They're using an ancient East African...

    It's SSA. They're using an ancient East African sample. It has nothing to do with North Africa.

    What this paper specifically says is below. That means the period of Arab Expansion and thus the...
  21. AH HA! The Sardinians did occur to them, as...

    AH HA!

    The Sardinians did occur to them, as well as modern Italian populations.


    https://i.imgur.com/3wtOAag.png


    Should have checked Sicily too. It might be up to the Crete level.
  22. Anyone know if these G2a2 lineages are found in...

    Anyone know if these G2a2 lineages are found in Italy or Greece? They come from samples from Beirut in the Early Roman period.
    G2a2b-L30
    G2a2b1a2-M3302

    This one is from the Iron Age. ...
  23. I couldn't resist this last PCA. Fascinating. You...

    I couldn't resist this last PCA. Fascinating. You can see the Lebanese move progressively north from Sidon, and then pulled toward the Caucasus probably during the Ottoman Era if they're correct.
    ...
  24. "From the late Roman period to the medieval...

    "From the late Roman period to the medieval period, we detect an increase in African ancestry (Figure S11B), but that increase remains slightly below statistical significance (Z score = −2.4) and...
  25. Well, I should have read further... "We found...

    Well, I should have read further...

    "We found that the Hellenistic and early Roman population can be modeled as a mixture of the local population, Beirut_IA (88%–94%), and a Central/South Asian...
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