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    You write, "It's not a "djuh" sound like the...

    You write, "It's not a "djuh" sound like the English J is--it's an entirely different sound. It's a "dzuh" sound--like a hard Z. I think in some dialects it's a little bit less harsh and intense,...
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    OK, thanks for the clarification. I now totally...

    OK, thanks for the clarification. I now totally understand it. In any case, the English pronunciation of "J" closely renders the "dz" sound. For example we say, Jessica, which is phonologically close...
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    You write, "Y-DNA Z2103 originated in the Armenia...

    You write, "Y-DNA Z2103 originated in the Armenia area".
    You are correct. Indeed R1b-Z2103 appears to have originated from the broader region of Armenia, and then moved northwards. I should have...
  4. There is no reason to write the same stuff, i...

    There is no reason to write the same stuff, i have included everything in my original comment. I agree with @Jovialis, this is not the thread to discuss this. If you want some clarification, send me...
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    I touched upon this as well in a previous comment...

    I touched upon this as well in a previous comment i made, https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page53?p=583753&viewfull=1#post583753 (3rd...
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    You write, "According to ancient writers,...

    You write, "According to ancient writers, Phrygians migrated in Anatolia from the Balkans. The Illyrian tribe, Brygians were still there during the classical Greek times.".
    There is no historical...
  7. I know this is not related to the topic of the...

    I know this is not related to the topic of the thread, just want to make a couple of quick corrections.

    Most of the people that voted for "Golden Dawn" didn't do it because of their ideological...
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    Phrygians, were an IE people who most probably...

    Phrygians, were an IE people who most probably were related with the Bryges and eventually had migrated from the Balkans during the Bronze Age collapse, at least that's one hypothesis. Therefore they...
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    You write, "Thanks for the tables. When it says...

    You write, "Thanks for the tables. When it says "Asia Minor" (i.e the green triangles) I'm assuming this means Greeks from what is now Western Turkey, correct? So it appears that Pontics, and...
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    You write, "Thanks for the information. I've read...

    You write, "Thanks for the information. I've read the Wikipedia sources, but you have a very good knowledge about Greek-history, so I wanted to know your thoughts. What are Pontians relationships to...
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    You write, "So do you believe those Western Black...

    You write, "So do you believe those Western Black Sea cities are the earlier Greek settlements? Is the 9th century BCE the earliest we can trace the Pontians?".
    Historically yes, they are the...
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    Yes. By the way, i did mention this earlier as...

    Yes. By the way, i did mention this earlier as well. The first time Pontian Greeks appear historically in the region of Pontus was in the 8th century BCE, with the establishment of Sinope (city) by...
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    In the end we obviously cannot have a productive...

    In the end we obviously cannot have a productive discussion, when you share unsubstantiated and dogmatic notions of another era again and again. And by the way, i am not patronizing anyone, i did the...
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    You write, "What's the confusion? I named the...

    You write, "What's the confusion? I named the oldest Greek populations in the world and made broad sweeping statements about how they COULD be related to either Minoan or Mycenaean Greeks.".
    The...
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    You write, "I mean Proto meaning first in Europe...

    You write, "I mean Proto meaning first in Europe and elsewhere and yes Mycenaean were among the first but they weren't the first".
    Proto-Greeks or later Mycenaeans for that matter were not the first...
  16. Thanks a lot for your answer. I agree with all of...

    Thanks a lot for your answer. I agree with all of your points. These are all valid questions you raise, that require answering. Before we jump on conclusions we need to examine all of the details....
  17. Spot-on questions, that's exactly what we need to...

    Spot-on questions, that's exactly what we need to know. Do we know when the paper (related to the leaked PCA) is due to get published? By the way, this is not the Moots paper we are awaiting any time...
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    Mycenaeans were not proto-Greeks. Proto-Greeks...

    Mycenaeans were not proto-Greeks. Proto-Greeks existed much earlier, during 3000-2200 BCE approximately, and they weren't settled where we would later find the Mycenaean civilization, but further...
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    You write, "The term Scythian was used for many...

    You write, "The term Scythian was used for many nomadic or seminomadic people irrespective of linguistics affiliations, especially after late antiquity. Originally, though, for a population in S....
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    Here i quote Eric Hamp from his "The Expansion of...

    Here i quote Eric Hamp from his "The Expansion of the Indo-European Languages: An Indo-Europeanist’s Evolving View" (2013) (http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp239_indo_european_languages.pdf)...
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    You write, "Which would correspond to the...

    You write, "Which would correspond to the mainland coastal Achaeans (Ahhiyawans) and could correspond to the Hiyawans (which is why I was asking about these names earlier as Hiyawa sounds similar to...
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    Yeah it would be interesting. In the Bronze Age...

    Yeah it would be interesting. In the Bronze Age collapse, Mycenaean Greeks were known to have settled among the native inhabitants in the southern coast of Anatolia, namely the regions of Pamphylia...
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    Yeah, it is indeed interesting. Here is what the...

    Yeah, it is indeed interesting. Here is what the original paper it cites from says, namely the "Regionalized Autosomal STR Profiles among Armenian Groups Suggest Disparate Genetic Influences"...
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    These hypotheses are all very interesting. When i...

    These hypotheses are all very interesting. When i find some time i will look more into the works of Hrach Martirosyan and Armen Petrosyan that you shared.

    You write, "The Anatolian names are...
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    You write, "In the broader meaning of the term...

    You write, "In the broader meaning of the term Germanic people, Slavic people, Turkic people, Magyars etc. were also called 'Scythian' at some point. There is a reason someone in the 5th century BC...
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