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    You write, "I mean Proto meaning first in Europe...

    You write, "I mean Proto meaning first in Europe and elsewhere and yes Mycenaean were among the first but they weren't the first".
    Proto-Greeks or later Mycenaeans for that matter were not the first...
  2. Thanks a lot for your answer. I agree with all of...

    Thanks a lot for your answer. I agree with all of your points. These are all valid questions you raise, that require answering. Before we jump on conclusions we need to examine all of the details....
  3. Spot-on questions, that's exactly what we need to...

    Spot-on questions, that's exactly what we need to know. Do we know when the paper (related to the leaked PCA) is due to get published? By the way, this is not the Moots paper we are awaiting any time...
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    Mycenaeans were not proto-Greeks. Proto-Greeks...

    Mycenaeans were not proto-Greeks. Proto-Greeks existed much earlier, during 3000-2200 BCE approximately, and they weren't settled where we would later find the Mycenaean civilization, but further...
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    You write, "The term Scythian was used for many...

    You write, "The term Scythian was used for many nomadic or seminomadic people irrespective of linguistics affiliations, especially after late antiquity. Originally, though, for a population in S....
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    Here i quote Eric Hamp from his "The Expansion of...

    Here i quote Eric Hamp from his "The Expansion of the Indo-European Languages: An Indo-Europeanist’s Evolving View" (2013) (http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp239_indo_european_languages.pdf)...
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    You write, "Which would correspond to the...

    You write, "Which would correspond to the mainland coastal Achaeans (Ahhiyawans) and could correspond to the Hiyawans (which is why I was asking about these names earlier as Hiyawa sounds similar to...
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    Yeah it would be interesting. In the Bronze Age...

    Yeah it would be interesting. In the Bronze Age collapse, Mycenaean Greeks were known to have settled among the native inhabitants in the southern coast of Anatolia, namely the regions of Pamphylia...
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    Yeah, it is indeed interesting. Here is what the...

    Yeah, it is indeed interesting. Here is what the original paper it cites from says, namely the "Regionalized Autosomal STR Profiles among Armenian Groups Suggest Disparate Genetic Influences"...
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    These hypotheses are all very interesting. When i...

    These hypotheses are all very interesting. When i find some time i will look more into the works of Hrach Martirosyan and Armen Petrosyan that you shared.

    You write, "The Anatolian names are...
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    You write, "In the broader meaning of the term...

    You write, "In the broader meaning of the term Germanic people, Slavic people, Turkic people, Magyars etc. were also called 'Scythian' at some point. There is a reason someone in the 5th century BC...
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    You write, "'North East Caucasians' do not have...

    You write, "'North East Caucasians' do not have high concentrations of J2a, Nakhs do.".
    Nakhs are NE-Caucasians, and in addition to that i exclusively wrote Chechens and Ingush along with their...
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    Regarding R1b-M269 i find this study interesting,...

    Regarding R1b-M269 i find this study interesting, namely the "Different waves and directions of Neolithic migrations in the Armenian Highland" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4249771/)....
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    You write, "Well, the Achaei and Heniochi etc....

    You write, "Well, the Achaei and Heniochi etc. are in the region where we can find Abkhazians, Adygei people today etc. and he doesn't call them Scythian, as far as I remember.".
    Well, in the same...
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    Regarding the modern autosomal profile of...

    Regarding the modern autosomal profile of Armenians, all these that you write are very realistic scenarios. But have you thought in terms of more recent events. For example it is known that medieval...
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    We are generally in agreement mate. I personally...

    We are generally in agreement mate. I personally haven't misunderstood you, i see you are likewise open-minded about any scenario and just find the southern route more likable, which i respect since...
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    I am also of the mind of a broader connection...

    I am also of the mind of a broader connection between Hurro-Urartians and NE-Caucasians. As for the Kura-Araxes culture (3,500-2,000 BCE), i believe it was mixed. I believe it also included...
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    Regardind Hurro-Urartian/NE-Caucasian these are...

    Regardind Hurro-Urartian/NE-Caucasian these are still all very hypothetical, but yet again, it wouldn't be so overwhelming to consider a relationship between the two. The proto-Northeast Caucasian...
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    Hurrian mythology includes a lot of volcanoes and...

    Hurrian mythology includes a lot of volcanoes and lava giants as well, not so sure about Artemis though. The Hurro-Urartian homeland is considered to be around the lakes Van and Urmia, a very active...
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    Again, these are all unsubstantiated mate....

    Again, these are all unsubstantiated mate. Proto-Greeks began either from Yamnaya (northern route) or Anatolia/Transcaucasia (southern route), but in general from the broader region of Caucasus, so...
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    I am already aware of all these mate....

    I am already aware of all these mate. Furthermore, other ancient authors also list the different people that have inhabited the island of Crete. Like for example in Homer's Odyssey, we read of...
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    You write, "As I said these names existed in Iran...

    You write, "As I said these names existed in Iran from at least the 3rd millennium BC, so they couldn't be related to Alexander's conquest.".
    That's why i have written that the commonalities either...
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    I am not wrong mate. Strabo wrote his "Geography"...

    I am not wrong mate. Strabo wrote his "Geography" approximately between 7 BCE and 24 CE. He is obviously referring to accounts of Greek armour, brazen vessels, and burial-places of Greeks, which...
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    No they weren't. I am really stunned that people,...

    No they weren't. I am really stunned that people, who have not even bothered to read the first paragraph of the "Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans"...
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    Caucasus has been a heavy salad of different...

    Caucasus has been a heavy salad of different people throughout history, not just what we term today North Caucasians and Kartvelians. First of all, it is known that even them originally came from...
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