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  1. Middle Bronze Age Lebanese have more...

    Middle Bronze Age Lebanese have more Levant_PPNB/Natufian than later Iron Age groups, which have less but in return have more EEF. From the Late Iron Age onward Iran_N and Steppe also increase making...
  2. South and Southeast Turkey are also sources of...

    South and Southeast Turkey are also sources of ancestry, not only Syria/Levant. As for haplogroups, I don't know; it is a field I have always neglected.
  3. In the first PCA I posted in this thread I used...

    In the first PCA I posted in this thread I used only Sicilian samples, not Mycenaeans. I've only put the Mycenaeans (both good and bad coverage) in those 2 new ones I posted a few hours ago.


    ...
  4. I was referring to "Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med" ...

    I was referring to "Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med" and the northern end of the "Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med" clusters, which are halfway between IA Sicilians and Mycenaeans although they are few samples...
  5. ^the latter PCA perfectly shows the mixed...

    ^the latter PCA perfectly shows the mixed Sicilian-Greek cluster.
  6. Around Greeks but slightly more shifted toward...

    Around Greeks but slightly more shifted toward Italy, I guess? If you have an average give it to me so I can add it.



    They were not included because they are low coverage samples.



    Yes,...
  7. Thanks for sharing! Dodecad K12b PCA (btw I...

    Thanks for sharing!

    Dodecad K12b PCA (btw I think there are 2 duplicate samples (Himera_480_BC_Battle_Eurasian_Steppe:I10944 and Himera_480_BC_Battle_NE-Europe:I10949).
    ...
  8. Ok, but the very claim that LBA Sicilians are...

    Ok, but the very claim that LBA Sicilians are Minoan-like is a generalization just as averages are.



    I4930 is abismally low coverage sample (40,174 out of 1,150,639 SNPs hit on autosomal...
  9. Another Dodecad K12b PCA with Minoans, Mycenaeans...

    Another Dodecad K12b PCA with Minoans, Mycenaeans and Sicilians.

    https://i.imgur.com/WGbnFvW.png

    MBA and LBA Sicilians have ancestry from the east when compared to their Neolithic counterparts,...
  10. Minoans tend to cluster away from any modern...

    Minoans tend to cluster away from any modern population.

    Dodecad K12b PCA

    https://i.imgur.com/Y1iKmQV.png
  11. PCA https://i.imgur.com/ZxNH7gD.png

    PCA

    https://i.imgur.com/ZxNH7gD.png
  12. Quick info about the samples Locality...

    Quick info about the samples



    Locality
    Context
    Primary genetic affinity
    Sample
    Date
    Coverage
  13. Modern Central Italians are closer to IA Central...

    Modern Central Italians are closer to IA Central Italians than Sardinians are.

    Distance to: Italy_Center_IA
    0.04562886 Italian_Tuscany
    0.05430200 Italian_Umbria
    0.05513458 ...
  14. And mine stated something else. But I agree that...

    And mine stated something else. But I agree that the classification of Italian dialects/languages is often ambiguous. The main feature used by linguists to separate the languages of the Neapolitan...
  15. The Levant_PPNB percentages that Leopoldo Leone...

    The Levant_PPNB percentages that Leopoldo Leone gave at first for Medieval Rome likely included all outliers (both northern and southern) as well, although it is not very clear. That is why the...
  16. Yeah sure, my clusters are made up, while your...

    Yeah sure, my clusters are made up, while your Dodecad K12b models showing you as 70% Minoan and Angela as 70% Latin are perfectly fine :lmao:
  17. If you read toward the end of post #55, I...

    If you read toward the end of post #55, I practically said the same thing. However, to what extent is it fair to exclude from the average those who plot with northern Italy and leave those who plot...
  18. The Wikipedia page does not say that, read more:...

    The Wikipedia page does not say that, read more:

    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetto_romanesco#Storia



    Perhaps I did not explain myself well. Medieval Romanesco had Samnite metaphony as...
  19. The samples that cluster closest to northern...

    The samples that cluster closest to northern Italy are dated to 500 AD. However, the problem is that the samples from Rome are a clusterf*ck of different people and this is true for every period,...
  20. The average of all Central Italian samples from...

    The average of all Central Italian samples from AD 400 to 1650 plots with modern Central Italians, as you stated.

    ...
  21. Again? I just posted you the averages that...

    Again? I just posted you the averages that indicate otherwise.



    The dialect spoken in Rome in the Middle Ages was not a dialect of the "Neapolitan" or South Italian family; it was part of the...
  22. No modern South Italians were analyzed in the...

    No modern South Italians were analyzed in the Southern Arc paper.



    The discrepancy is explained by the fact that Medieval Roman averages are Central Italian-like, not deep Southern...
  23. According to the paper, but a model like this is...

    According to the paper, but a model like this is more realistic. Also, the average consists of only 1 sample.

    Target: GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA
    Distance: 0.0355% / 0.03546927
    78.9 ...
  24. Clearly from the Carthaginians onward there is...

    Clearly from the Carthaginians onward there is also a North African influence, but this has only minimally impacted the southward shift that southern Italians experience, which is largely Anatolian...
  25. What arrived in the Bronze Age? The earliest...

    What arrived in the Bronze Age? The earliest samples similar to southern Italians or their southern/eastern ancestry?

    As for the first, again for me it is a flat no. They may even find some ...
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